Ninjas looters and Ninja Kickers in RDF

[Milodiablo]

PvE is a Joke on Onyxia unfortunately. Too many People want to do Reserve Loot, then Ninja loot it at the end of a Dungeon, Roll on items there Alt needs instead of what the group Needs, and yes too many Bad Players not knowing encounters and just trying to Gearscore through it all.

Come on WOTLK, Open World PvP is the last thing left this server has going for it that isn't pay to win and fully released content wise as of Icecrown. That's all this server has left.

[longpete]

RDF hc is pretty bad on both sides, since TBC hcs are so tough that many of them can only be done with a specific setup, especially in P1. The random kicking exists on horde, too. I was once kicked right before last boss in an RDF because the tank didn't like me hitting the sentinels in Arca, saying that I "put too much pressure on the healer", even though I was the only one taking any damage and thus the healer was about to fall asleep either way. The tank initiated the vote to kick me, so obviously everyone voted yes (despite them previously joking about how ridiculous the tank has been), lest he leaves and it's RO.

The handling of ninjas is even more disappointing. I had a s-priest ninja a healing item from me (playing holy pala) after the last boss in an RDF, and ofc. he left immediately. I made a screenshot as soon as I could, and opened a ticket. On the SS there we countless proofs that I was healer and priest was dps, from the DPS meter to my mana pool and action bar, not to mention the whispers we had where he basically admitted having stolen the item. After 2 days I received a reply from GM that there's nothing they can do because the role icons can't be seen on the raid frames (since the ninja left right away, so I had no chance to SS that one thing specifically). I tried to argue that there was plenty of evidence on the SS I've sent, but to no avail. I guess they assume that I've spent hours editing it in photoshop to make it look exactly like a real SS just to make a random innocent guy seem guilty...

[Fakadin]

i got kicked right before second boss in black morass by a group of 4 guiuldmates.. i reported that and response was they cant do anything about it... so thats why people are doing that, no punishment at all

Yeah, what happens on server right now it's a mess. I got kicked several more times from rdf heroics just cause i told some slavics to talk in english and not in slavic language in party...Also, tickets on warmane takes too long and you get a negative answer. I made a ticket and passed more than 24 hours, made ticket for a Horde druid bot. Today the time remaining on ticket oscilated between 48 and 56 minutes so i just abbandoned it.

[Obnoxious]

I got kicked several more times from rdf heroics just cause i told some slavics to talk in english and not in slavic language in party.

That surprises you? I'd have voted in favor of it myself, even not knowing a single word in their language.
If by some reason the language of the whole rest of the group bothered me, I'd suck it up or just leave the group.

[theSkele]

That surprises you? I'd have voted in favor of it myself, even not knowing a single word in their language.
If by some reason the language of the whole rest of the group bothered me, I'd suck it up or just leave the group.

There is no language option for the rdf tool, the feature solely relies on players being able to work with the group or player they're assigned to in the boundary of the game, there's no explicit rule to say "you must speak X language" or "you can't roll on X item", if such a thing existed, I'd be happy for it. But this is not the point of the feature and people using it this way should be penalized from using it.

[Obnoxious]

There is no language option for the rdf tool, the feature solely relies on players being able to work with the group or player they're assigned to in the boundary of the game, there's no explicit rule to say "you must speak X language" or "you can't roll on X item", if such a thing existed, I'd be happy for it. But this is not the point of the feature and people using it this way should be penalized from using it.

It's a Random Dungeon Finder. There are no rules that people should be the class you want, that they can't be on a subpar specialization, that they even know how to play the class they are on. You accept all of that when you make the decision to queue in it, including that people might not care to speak English. That's the point of the feature: putting together a random group that fills the requires roles and nothing else, without the effort of creating a pre-made group. You aren't penalized for using it, you are penalized for using it and then not liking the result of the R in RDF. If you don't like what can possibly come out of that randomness and can't cope with the penalty that comes if you decide to Karen out, stick to pre-made groups, because the problem isn't the feature or how it works, it's you.

[Inffi]

there's no explicit rule to say "you can't roll on X item"

[Obnoxious]

That's an external rule, and I gave the benefit of the doubt that he meant inherent to the feature.
It's a rule to keep the outcome of a dungeon run fair either way, nothing about who or how people should play it.

[Armeyer]

Okay, so i come today to elaborate 2 things i hate on warmane: Ninjas and People who kick other unjustified.
So i been doing alot of dungs, normal and heroics to farm my gear on my hunter and atleast 3 people ninjaed an item i needed. I reported them ofc, but i guess gm didn't do anything, nor he gave me a feedback like he used to. The second problem i encounter is that after i wait like 1 hour or more to join a rdf hc, there are some ******ed premade that kick whoever they don't like, or whoever they think might roll for their items, like it happened in SV HC today.
Tank and Hunter from same guild. Hunter asked me if i can pass on Beast Lord items if they drop and i said i farm them for weeks too, so they decided to kick me after i wasted 2 hours trying to get into a heroic, plus i got 10 minutes cd and been in another queue for atleast 20 minutes, were ofc we wiped several times at 2nd boss in BF HC so we disbaned, so back in queue after wasted 4 hours or more. I think warmane should punish players who kick others for no reasson. Regarding this high time in queue for rdf... i will soon move my toons to horde side which has atleast double the players alliance has. If someone knows where to report ninjas to, please leave it in the reply. I used to report them with screenshots to Aldarthos, but for the last 3-4 reports i got no reply.

just make your own premade ez, pressing rdf icon means you are accepting whatever random you will encounter. if you feel theres rulebreaking just open ingame ticket and deal with whatever the result is and move on.
crying on forum like this only shows you are incapable of making social interaction in game. i feel like you are that type of a guy who refuse to party when other people kill the same mob on the same quest and keep killing as if you are competing or something.

[YakuzaZer0]

I was kicked from a group because I tried "ninja'ing" a chest piece with strength on it but could be used as healers as well. Playerbase on warmane is peak ******ed. The type of players who think they are better/smarter than they actually are.

Vanilla onyxia was even worst. Bunch of crybabies who never touched vanilla before getting upset at classes rolling on hybrid items.

[Fakadin]

It's a Random Dungeon Finder. There are no rules that people should be the class you want, that they can't be on a subpar specialization, that they even know how to play the class they are on. You accept all of that when you make the decision to queue in it, including that people might not care to speak English. That's the point of the feature: putting together a random group that fills the requires roles and nothing else, without the effort of creating a pre-made group. You aren't penalized for using it, you are penalized for using it and then not liking the result of the R in RDF. If you don't like what can possibly come out of that randomness and can't cope with the penalty that comes if you decide to Karen out, stick to pre-made groups, because the problem isn't the feature or how it works, it's you.

Yes, it's always our fault and not those who ninja, those who don't teleport inside and wait for a kick, those who kick for no reasson. Yes, it is our fault for using rdf.

[Fakadin]

just make your own premade ez, pressing rdf icon means you are accepting whatever random you will encounter. if you feel theres rulebreaking just open ingame ticket and deal with whatever the result is and move on.
crying on forum like this only shows you are incapable of making social interaction in game. i feel like you are that type of a guy who refuse to party when other people kill the same mob on the same quest and keep killing as if you are competing or something.

I am done with tickets in game, they take forever.Ticket system is broken in my opinion and as i stated above, after more than 24 hours the time remaining was oscilating going up and down. I am also not crying, wise-***, i just came to discuss some problems that many players face when using RDF. It is not nice and fair to get kicked because u don't accept to pass on items you need for some premade. Also not fair to get kicked cause you asked the minority(2 players) to speak in english. I ignored them and some how i could still see their messages. Imagine being in queue for 2 hours and you finally find a group then you suddenly get an unfair kick. Yes, wise-***, i am incapable to interact with people in conversations... people that speak Russian, Ukrainian or other slavic languages i don't know.

[Obnoxious]

Yes, it's always our fault and not those who ninja, those who don't teleport inside and wait for a kick, those who kick for no reasson. Yes, it is our fault for using rdf.

Watching someone jump onto a reply to something unrelated to what they babble about never ceases to remind mankind was a mistake.

PS: With your attitude, "for no reason" feels extremely debatable.

[Fakadin]

Watching someone jump onto a reply to something unrelated to what they babble about never ceases to remind mankind was a mistake.

PS: With your attitude, "for no reason" feels extremely debatable.

I can just record my rdf queue and upload it on youtube to proof that people are ******ed and kick for no reasson. If u think kicking someone in a rdf because they don't want you to roll on same items it's a reason, then ok.

[Obnoxious]

I can just record my rdf queue and upload it on youtube to proof that people are ******ed and kick for no reasson. If u think kicking someone in a rdf because they don't want you to roll on same items it's a reason, then ok.

I never said that's a good reason. You quoted and replied to a post of mine that addressed someone complaining about being put in RDF with people who don't speak English and getting kicked when he wanted them to.

The thing is, regarding your issue, that GMs aren't going to carefully watch every video from people saying they were kicked for no reason - only to, I bet you, often find out there was a reason. Perhaps if you recorded getting kicked right before having a shot at the loot, sure, but beyond that there are too many things that could lead to a majority vote to kick someone to pass. They could even have read something you said in Global that they didn't like and therefore don't want to be grouped with you, and no GM would punish them for that.