Today I was in SHH on my tank paladin. The last boss dropped gloves [URL]www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27535. I had a healer paladin in my group, and he took these gloves when I needed them for the tanking. This item has all the stats a TANK needs. I wrote a ticket for ninja loot, and they answered that it is not ninja loot, because this item has stats suitable for a healer. That is, the GM does not know that this is not WOTLK, but TBC, and here healers have a separate stat - a healing bonus. He was also not confused by the presence of the defense stat on the item. I want to raise the issue of staff competence and compliance with the rules, and what people think about this.
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Member
No punishment for ninja loot
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Member
Gloves www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27535
p.s. idk why there is no functionality for editing messages here yet
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Head Moderator
If you can provide valid evidence of the ninja, the GM will be able to punish the the player. We can't ban players with just verbal accusations.
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Member
It depends on the scenario. That item could be an upgrade for a holy paladin which would be MS and therefore not be a ninja. If the holy paladin needed on it to use for a tank spec then yes that could be a ninja scenario. That would be difficult to determine. Either way that holy paladin was inconsiderate if you needed it.
My recommendation though is just go buy Felsteel Gloves. Get an ok tanking set and go OT a Karazhan and stop worrying about dungeons. We've all progressed past this stage.
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Member
I have video evidence. As I said, the GM told me that this item has stats suitable for healing, so it is NOT ninja loot, even though it is 100% a tank item. That is why I am raising the issue of competence of GMs here, who seem to know nothing about the game.
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Moderator
If you have a problem with the GMs then reach out to the head GM. They don't actively monitor the forums so complaining about them here won't accomplish much more than breaking rules.
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Member
Don't you think this situation is extremely absurd? The GM refuses to ban a player for obvious ninja loot, justifying it by the presence of SPD on the item, when the game has a separate stat for healers, and when the item has defense. So it turns out that any healer can take items with SPD from casters, and any caster can take items with bonus healing, tanks can take items from DPS, because they also have stats suitable for tanks. Then what is the point of these rules, if with this approach all this simply DOESN'T WORK?
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Head Moderator
Have you received the item? As in, the "ninja" delivered to you after the complaints?
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Member
The conversation about whether I received this item, or about the GM's actions? After 10 minutes of talking to this person, he finally gave me this item, and you can see his words in the screenshot below.
Do you see insults and a call to suicide? I also indicated this in the ticket and provided a video recording of the chat. The GM simply IGNORED this part of the ticket and also did not take any action against the player, who clearly violates another rule of your server.Spoiler:Show
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Forum Veteran
...so where is the ninjaing?
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Member
Another proof that the person is deliberately breaking the server rules or is not aware of them at all, and this situation may happen again. He took this item not for healing, but for tanking, and he says so in plain text.
Moreover, if you look at his character in armory now, he does not have a heal spec AT ALL. Based on this and his words in the comment above, does the person not deserve punishment?Spoiler:Show
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Member
Check out this post and read the response from moderator Obnoxious https://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=461379
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Moderator
That's a post from one year and half ago, based on how players had reported GMs handling such cases, and on a different situation. It isn't something mentioned in any rule, simply because in cases like the one you're linking that was something brought up by the person banned when they wanted to appeal, not by the one making the report.
That person got banned for it and was complaining that he had given the item, something the GMs just couldn't know from the report and evidence presented if the one reporting maliciously avoids showing any of that just to be petty. If he showed evidence in an appeal that he had handed over the item, the ban would likely be lifted.
It has nothing to do with what you're trying to do, which is the opposite of what that thread was about. You got the item and are trying to get someone banned when nothing was stolen in the end.
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Member
For some reason it seems to me that you do not want to understand what I am talking about here. It is not about whether the player should have been banned after he gave up the item or not. I am talking about the specific decision of the GM, who decided not to ban the player, arguing that the item has stats suitable for healing. In the post that I posted above, the referee clearly and distinctly said:
"That's an item for caster DPS. Anyone who isn't a caster DPS who have rolled need would be eligible for the banhammer. Healers don't need hit, ench shamans or rpalas don't need intellect or spell power.
Mages, warlocks and SPriests are classes who can roll need."
At the same time, in this situation, the GM was not at all embarrassed by the presence of defense and SPD on the item, which is not the main stat for healing (after all, in TBC healers need healing bonus). I also attached screenshots of insults and calls for suicide, which were also mentioned in the ticket. The GM simply ignored this part. I have said this here several times, but you all stubbornly continue to ignore it.
I can't contact the GM in-game, I can't challenge this decision in-game, and I still think that this player should be punished for his words and actions. I have no functionality for this, except to write here on the forum in the hope that one of the GMs will help. But I see that for everyone here such behavior of this player is normal.
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Moderator
No, you don't seem to understand: you got the item so there was no "ninja," the things he said aren't worthy a ban since you can just put him on ignore.
The player isn't going to get banned, get over it.
