WHY DO PEOPLE FROM ICECROWN, WHO HAVE X3 THE POP OF BLACKROCK, Why do we have to play against 1k + free resilience players who never had to make an effort to gain pvp equipment???? We are 10 icecrown players against 10 BlackRock players in MOST of the battlegrounds I get in. I do battlegrounds 24/7, I am in icecrown, and it is soooo unfair, when there are 7 players from icecrown against 10 players from BlackRock?'? Why must you mix servers???? When icecrown can have their own population and active battlegrounds????????
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Member
Battlegrounds mixed with blackrock players are so unfair
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Member
I couldnt agree more.
Why would you mix an instant gear fun server with one you have to actually farm gear. I enjoy playing battlegrounds its my go too thing on wow. This server took that away.
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Member
They could at least implement a limit where a maximum of 5 players from Blackrock can join the Horde side, and another 5 on the Alliance side to keep things balanced.
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Member
Why do you care about effort obtaining gear? Battlegrounds are a place to PvP, not compare effort. You can buy full Wrathful Shadowmourne set on Icecrown too, so what?
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Member
Because you earn gear a lot faster on blackrock, so it gives a huge player advantage. Pvp is fun where its fair, skill comes into play. Cant believe I even had to explain this?
Im not bothered about how fast people get gear on blackrock, if you want a fun server fine we get it. Just dont merge that with other servers.
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Member
Why are you so rude? What is your problem? It is not fair to go up against full relentless + pvp gear 1K res + H trinkets, when there are new players in Icecrown or people trying to gear.
Of course battlegrounds are a place to pvp, also to have fun. But it is not fun against full BlackRock premades.
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Member
Also we are not all from EU and cannot afford to spend money. EURO is x5 my currency. And we are lots of players in Central and South America.
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Member
How is this fair????
8 Icecrown ally players
4 Lordearon
3 Blackrock
VS
12 Blackrock horde players
2 Icecrown
2 Lordearon
THEY JUST FARMED US THE WHOLE GAME. HOW IS THIS FAIR? HOW IS THIS FUN?
And this is 24 hours.
This is crazy, this makes me want to quit pvp in Icecrown, why even try, it is not fun, this sucks!
Proof:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/w65Hbdc
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Member
An excellent statement and a balanced position.
But now let's look at the problem more broadly and without prejudice.
1. The problem with getting equipment. You say there are a lot of freeloaders on blackrock who get loot for nothing. The donation conditions for both servers are the same, moreover, you can only get SM on Blackrock by donating, since you will not complete the quest.
Blackrock fills the arena for you, because 80% of the arena's players are from there.
2. the composition of the groups - the author apparently plays at the 5.6+ gs level, on bis... icecrown collects primads, and 4-5 ready-made teams are put up on the alterac / island. most of which are also BIS. and they go in one direction.
for example, wrangler - 14 people are sent to the lowlands (they can also lose).
2-3 mboxes have been steadily moving to the Horde island for the last couple of weeks.
3. There are 800 people playing on the fun server, 80% of whom are arena fans.
on icecrown - 12000...
it seems to me, or are the conditions for collecting a group for servers obviously not equivalent?
4. Mercenary mode.
icecrown - they can turn it off,
black rock - enabled by force.
It is precisely because people on icecrown refuse to register against the primeds that people from the fan server get to you. Forced. We can't choose the side that the PM are currently fighting for. if there is no fan, you will queue up twice as long, or the PM will farm in the icecrown with 2.3k gs.
5. Availability of equipment.
blackrock is very limited in the choice of equipment, and if you don't know how to build arenas and haven't found a partner (I remind you, there are only 800 people for both factions, and it's difficult to find the class you need that will be free and with whom you can play, and whom you will understand).
Blackrock doesn't have an accessory to return to the base on alterac (we can't even complete the quest, because there's no one to hand it over to), we can't use engineering to its fullest, for example, to treat equipment on BG, I personally wrote to the admins to add a healer totem for the shaman, because there was none. alchemy is generally limited. and thanks to icecrown's whining, we lost Faps, because now 1 bottle is worth 5k honor points (2-3 BG wins per use). at the same time, icecrown uses them in full and without restrictions.
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Member
Hey thank you for your input and the effort into your response, appreciate it.
I am very new to this server and I want to understand matchmaking in BG's, I've inverted a lot of my time in this server.
I have no idea how matchmaking works:
"2. the composition of the groups - the author apparently plays at the 5.6+ gs level, on bis... icecrown collects primads, and 4-5 ready-made teams are put up on the alterac / island. most of which are also BIS. and they go in one direction."
What are primads?
"It is precisely because people on icecrown refuse to register against the primeds that people from the fan server get to you. Forced. We can't choose the side that the PM are currently fighting for. if there is no fan, you will queue up twice as long, or the PM will farm in the icecrown with 2.3k gs."
I don't understand, you are saying icecrown does not queue BG's?
Icecrown has a huge population, we wouldn't have any issues with active battlegrounds only icecrown players (And lordearon, sure).
It's just not fair, it ruins the fun. I love pvp and as someone said, it should be about skill, not gear, and we are incredibly over matched in games. I can post many 10 Icecrown vs 10 BlackRock pictures and loses.
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Member
at the moment, there are conditionally 3 queues:
1 - from 0 to 3k gs
2 - from 3k to 5.8k gs
3 - from 5.8 to Bis (if you have 277 ilvl equipment, welcome to the 3rd queue)
Prim (hereinafter PM) is a prepared group of players, from 6 to 40 people, dressed in the best gear, with PVP tanks, healers, and voice communication, whose sole purpose of the game is to farm honorable kills.
they will try to pin you down in the cemetery, and not let you wake up by killing CD, and so on until they make 600 kilos on the alter
they are able to fully control what is happening in BG.
for example, now on the island, they let their gates be smashed, after which EVERYONE goes to the boss, and wait for the enemy (alliance) to capture the base, after which they attack the boss. The boss naturally leaves the room and kills 80% of the enemy's raid with one hit, after which the PM starts killing them on the timer at the cemetery in his base, and in case of danger they go back to the boss.
and yes, most of them are Blackrock players, because when the enemy registers a specific group of 30 people for a specific faction, it will be balanced by those who have the mercenary mode enabled...
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Member
Thank you for the information!! I had no idea there were queue brackets.
In regards to island, I have been in several games now, where horde lets us break the gates, they are all on defense. Some ally captures the graveyard, and they farm us the whole game.
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Moderator
You've been here for less than an year, we have been here for over ten.
The huge population doesn't matter if only a fraction cares about PvP. Then, the vast majority of people who queue for PvP comes from Alliance, which then made queues take over an hour. We introduced Mercenary Mode to help alleviate that, and guess what happened? No one from Alliance turns it on, so despite having the solution to queue times in their hands, players preferred to keep the problem alive. Adding Blackrock to the pool is what makes matches happen in a reasonable time.
If players want that to be changed, all are invited to turn Mercenary on to show us there in fact is no need for it, that each server can manage to have healthy queue times on its own.
