Its funny how alliance players are complaining about losing BGs but don't complain when alliance guild makes 80 men premade to camp horde grave at WG for years now...
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I highly support you, I've been playing Molten wow and Warmane since day one. I've been through many periods in this server: in some alliance smashed the horde on AVs/IOCs and in others it was the opposite. BUT NOTHING LIKE THIS. For the last 2 months or so I experienced the most harsh farming over all. This is some methodical well organized bullying. There is a group of some dozens of players or maybe even 100+, queing specific AVs/IOCs playing only to farm the 600/300 hks, and doin it 24/7. The result is 70% - 80% of rbg ques are for being farmed in 40 man's bgs. I don't know if they Q together with AV enabler or alone, I just know that I hate this situation. I know that a big part of what is beautiful for me in this server as a pvp player is that u basically can do everything here: curse, mock, farm someone's corpse for hours and days, get with your guild and dominate a main city for a couple of hours, farm a filght master and yes even Q as a premade for some rbg. What I meant is that for me Warmane is the real Land of The Free, it's representing the real internet culture and I am proud to be an old player here. But todays bg's situation is unbearable on some different levels sometimes I wish they will remove the hks sections from characters so no one will be able to see how many stupid hks you got, and maybe it will convince the hks farmers to play different.
Edited: 1 Week Ago
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Yes, it's toxic when 40premade que vs solo players, 1 guy from their team regs on ally side, he went into 40 man stucked in south of AV at horde base, noone attacked him, he capped GY and left the battleground, after people stuck at that gy and got farmed. it's really toxic.
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Make players in AV/IOC unhonorable target for 30 seconds after spawning (yielding no honor/hks) and the problem will mostly be solved.
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There's no point in explaining it to them, buddy. They will always defend premades because they are either members of them or have never encountered premades.
I see the same problem on official servers, but it's much worse there, it's been going on for years and the administration turns a blind eye to it, as if nothing is happening. The funniest thing is that the leaders of these premades and their regular participants, when they find themselves in the opposite situation, they simply leave the BG, realizing that it's not so easy to get HK, or they even become victims of farming. In other words, they are treated exactly the same way as they are treated with others.
The only solution to the problem is to prohibit entering the BG as part of a group and raid, that is, a group of two or more people. This is not a warmane problem, but a problem of the office, which has always made the own game anyhow and just for the sake of it.
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Currently, huge premades cannot officially queue as a group ,they either have to queue solo or use addons like AV Enabler, which coordinates the raid to all queue at the exact same time (since the addon issues solo queue commands to each member in order).
During matchmaking, the server simply assembles players from the queue and, if there are enough, creates a battleground instance for them.
Here’s my suggestion:
During matchmaking, if the server detects that a large number of players from the same guild queued at the exact same time (or within a very short time), it should prevent them from being placed into the same battleground instance. Instead, it would split them across multiple AV/IoC instances, ensuring no single team is dominated by an organized premade.
This way, players can still queue solo or with a small group(maybe 20 player from guild premade), but it discourages or neutralizes large-scale guild premades that abuse the queue system to stomp random pugs.
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I've played WoW for 150 years since before the internet was created and computers existed. There's this thing about the game I don't like that has always existed. Can you Warmane people change the game somehow so I like it better? I don't know how just figure it out.
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If you truly don't understand what happens on battlegrounds and how premades farming honorable kills on graveyards that's sad. hope administration will make deep research, still facts are on a surface, we need you to stop the problem of farming honorable kills on battlegrounds, that's absurd, people just leaving PvP cause of the situation on Warmane battlegrounds, you sit whole Bg and see on chat who left and who joined non-stop.I recommend to disable honorable kills after releasing on graveyard about for 45seconds.
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AVEnabler is specifically built for this purpose, and yes, PvP communities actively use it. It may be difficult to provide in-game screenshots as evidence, since there's no straightforward way to verify that players are part of a premade group. However, Discord sign-up posts for large premade battleground groups might serve as proof.
I believe Warmane should at least partially trust the player reports and conduct an investigation especially into the AVEnabler addon. Perhaps there's a way to address this issue on the server side to prevent the addon from functioning in this manner.
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Which is basically what they are doing to you.
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The root of the problem is that there is zero incentive for fully decked out players to win a BG so they rather just farm HKs.
The HK scoreboard should be replace by a most BG wins score board. That would be the first step in the right direction.
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queing with addons to group 5-5-5 groups to make a premade of 40, then alt+tabbing with another account and que for other side, goin true 40 man, who knows that you are rat and letting cap gy at their base, then farm honorable kills of solo queing players, that you call PvP?
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If you have evidence of faction collusion submit it to the GMs.
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Do you love when alliance is farming WG graveyards 24 / 7?
When was the last time horde won STV chest?
All I see is alliance players feeling the burn of what they been doing to horde for years now.
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There are multiple problems with the current PvP situation that didn't exist until recently.
The premade groups are using a 3rd party software or addon to que at the same time for the same instance of the bg.
One of those addons is called premade AV enabler and it is designed specifically to enable large raids to enter a bg.
Those premades don't play bgs to win the bg, but to farm kills for the entire duration of the bg.
In order to achieve this, they manipulate many aspects of the game, which include, but are not limited to the following:
not capturing any objectives and not defending any objectives unless they provide more kills
abusing the afk report system to kick any players that do capture objectives
abusing the afk report system to kick players that say anything negative about the premade
abusing the afk report system to kick rogues/druids that use stealth to skip the PvP battles in order to capture objectives
que alt characters on the opposite faction to capture graveyards that are helping the premade to farm kills
use alts in the opposite team to spy on the location of enemies in order to know where the most kills can be farmed
use alts on the opposite faction to spy on the position of the enemy team so that they can defend the boss in order to keep the hk farm for longer
use the alts in the opposite faction to use the afk report system to kick players that run to a different graveyard to avoid getting kill farmed
use the afk report system in the opposite faction to kick any players that capture bases that would make the hk farm less profitable
use 3rd party software like multibox and fly/speed hacks on both factions to capture objectives that make the hk farm more profitable
There is a very easy solution to this problem, which was already implemented previously.
The graveyards in Wintergrasp have an immunity aura around them.
During a Wintergrasp battle, barely anyone afks at the graveyards, everyone usually rushes back into battle.
There is also no penalty for leaving the Wintergrasp battle other than being unable to join it until 3 hours later.
Adding the same immune areas to all graveyards in all battlegrounds would ensure that bgs are played for objectives, not kill farming.
People being afk at a graveyard would not be a problem because there is already an afk report system that would get them kicked.
Please take appropriate action in order to save the PvP situation on the server, the community and the server itself.
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