1. 1 Day Ago  

    Premades Farming – Why the Current System Rewards Abusers

    Hello Warmane team and PvP community,

    As someone who has played World of Warcraft PvP seriously for years on both Warmane Icecrown and Blackrock, I feel it’s time to raise a real concern about the state of premades in battlegrounds, especially large-scale ones like AV and IoC. The current mechanics actively reward graveyard farming for honorable kills, while punishing everyone else: new players, casuals, and solo queue PvPers.

    It's been over 15 years since I’ve posted about anything, yes, it's that annoying - but I’ve often kept an eye on the PvP threads. This issue is clearly a hot topic right now, and I’d like to take the opportunity to offer a clear breakdown from someone who’s played on both sides of the issue.

    Before diving into the main points, I want to address something that often gets overlooked in these discussions. Too many times, legitimate concerns are met with vague or dismissive replies like “join a premade,” “that’s just how PvP works,” or “you can’t make everyone happy.” These aren’t solutions — they’re oversimplifications that ignore the real problem. This post isn’t about losing, or wanting to remove premades entirely. It’s about a systemic imbalance where organized abuse is rewarded, and everyone else is punished for simply participating. So before defaulting to the usual responses, I ask that you actually consider the specific points and real gameplay effects described below.

    1. The Anti-AFK System Supports the Problem — Not the Players
    The intent behind the system that kicks inactive players is understandable. But in practice, it hurts the victims, not the abusers.
    - If you try to escape a farming situation by walking to another graveyard, the system kicks you before you even arrive.
    - If you reach one, you’re forced to engage in combat immediately, or you get kicked — even if there’s no one to fight with.
    - When you do engage, you’re often alone and instantly killed, sending you right back to the graveyard being camped.
    - If the team tries to regroup and walk out together, half of them will get kicked by the AFK system before they even reach safety.

    *Summary: Either you feed them HKs, or you get kicked. There’s no third option.*

    2. Premades Are Exploiting the System for Real Rewards
    Let’s be clear: the argument that “they gain nothing” from this is false.
    What they get:


    HKs that contribute to:
    Achievements (e.g., 100,000 kills)
    Titles
    Public rankings on the Armory (which they chase daily)

    AV and IoC are specifically targeted because they:
    Offer large-scale control
    Let you farm high number of HKs for without the match ending (600 hks, per bg)

    *This isn’t just “fun” — it’s farming efficiency and leaderboard padding*

    3. The Daily RBG Reward Traps Casual Players in a Cycle

    The daily RBG reward (Honor and most importantly Arena Points). In order to receive it, they must que into RBG.

    - leave due to farming and requeue after the deserter fades ?
    You just end up in the same battleground, against the same premade, again.
    A common response by GM I have seen on this topic is
    “If you want the better rewards, you queue RBG and accept the risk. If you don’t want to face premades, just queue specific and take the lower rewards.”

    But this argument falls apart when you look at how things actually play out.

    First of all, the daily RBG quest isn’t just a “bonus.” For new or casual players, the Honor and Arena Points from that quest are essential for gearing. Skipping it drastically slows down progress — and most of those players are already at a disadvantage because they’re not in premades.

    Second, queuing specific doesn’t magically solve the problem. In practice, full premades target specific battlegrounds too, especially BGs like WSG and SoTA — where the impact of a coordinated group is even more punishing. I know this firsthand because I play in those premades, daily. In solo queue, 9 out of 10 matches are against full premades, even when queuing for specific battlegrounds. It’s a myth that “specific queue = safe queue.”
    Even premade groups have strict rules and preferences.
    If you play a non-meta class for farming hks most often: (rogue, ret paladin, etc.), or team fitting class your chance of being invited to these premades drops dramatically.
    If you are not bis geared player you don't get invited to those premades either.

    ***So again, the choice isn’t between high risk/high reward and low risk/low reward — it’s between getting farmed slowly or getting farmed faster, and that’s not how a healthy PvP system should work.***

    There is no way out for a casual or new player, for such players, it’s just a brick wall:

    Queue solo? Get farmed.
    Want gear? Queue daily.
    Queue daily? Get farmed again.
    Queue specific bg? Get farmed again.

    How exactly are they supposed to progress and most importantly have fun?
    There must be some sort of solution.

    4. Joining a PvP Premade Is Not an Option for Everyone
    Yes, people say: “Just join a premade.”

    Here’s the reality:
    Most PvP premade guilds require 50k+ HKs and/or arena experience
    You don’t qualify unless you’ve already been farming or playing for years
    If you’re new or trying to learn? No one invites you

    No premade = farmed ? No progress ? No guild ? No premade

    It’s a self-locked system, gatekept by design, a loop.

    And again — I play in these premades, on both factions. I know the guilds. I know the rosters. I can provide video evidence proving full 40-man coordination happens daily. Same for 15 man premades. Many players are even in both faction’s farming guilds. It's either that or I get farmed myself, if you can't solve the problem you become part of it, not everyone has the opportunity to become part of the problem though, and the people being farmed are getting tired.

    5.GMs have questioned how we “know” players are organized or using Discord.

    Simple: They don’t need to.
    One raid leader.
    3/4 macros: /rw FOLLOW ME, /rw SURROUND THEM, /rw FARM, etc.

    40 players follow orders, most of whom already know the drill, don't even need the orders, is a daily routine.
    That’s all it takes.
    Discord is a bonus, not a requirement.
    Highly experienced players following a single message can lock down palyers in BG for hours - and they do, everyday.

    6. This Doesn’t Build PvP Community — It Destroys It
    Some argue this meta “builds the PvP community.”

    Yes, premades sometimes face each other — and when that happens?
    One side instantly leaves.

    Then:
    Random solo players get pulled in to fill the spots
    They get farmed
    The leavers log on alts and queue again, farming a weaker group

    If you think problem will sort itself, you might be right and it will when:

    New players quit
    Casual players stop queuing
    Only grinders farming each other for HKs remain
    - driving everyone else out.



    I want to clarify that I'm not being paid or compensated to propose solutions — I'm simply a passionate player who cares about the state of PvP on this server. I understand that game systems are complex, but I also believe Warmane has a dedicated development and support team capable of addressing this issue, if there's enough willingness to truly engage with the problem. Players have done their part in reporting, explaining, and even offering potential fixes — now it's up to the team to decide if this matters enough to act on.

    Right now, the system rewards abusive behavior, and punishes players trying to escape it - literally.
    If you want evidence, It can be done. If you want, recordings, names it can be provided.
    All I ask in return is that this finally gets taken seriously.

    But that’s the reality: either I join a premade and farm, or I queue solo and get farmed.
    There’s no middle ground. No balance. No real PvP.

    It hurts to see new players come to the forums, report the issue, and be ignored or laughed at.
    I’ve read the threads. I’ve seen the frustration.
    And I promise you this: if you play solo PvP for just a few weeks, — and you’re not part of a premade farming group —
    you will hate it.

    Not because you lose.
    But because you never get to actually play.

    Sincerely,
    A long-time PvPer who still believes this game can be better for everyone.

  2. 1 Day Ago  
    I don't have these issues. I top the score charts in most games I play and I win maybe 60% of my games. Just good old solo queue into random battlegrounds. I don't have issues building a new toon either.

    Wouldn't expect a complaint like this from someone that's played PvP seriously for 15 years. Did you play then take a 14 year break and come back?

  3. 1 Day Ago  
    I don't have these issues. I top the score charts in most games I play and I win maybe 60% of my games. Just good old solo queue into random battlegrounds. I don't have issues building a new toon either.

    Wouldn't expect a complaint like this from someone that's played PvP seriously for 15 years. Did you play then take a 14 year break and come back?
    depends on the time of day. horde farms and dominates alliance until later in the day in my time zone (gmt- 5)

  4. 1 Day Ago  
    depends on the time of day. horde farms and dominates alliance until later in the day in my time zone (gmt- 5)
    If it's horde farming alliance then I don't see anything wrong here carry on :)

  5. 17 hours ago  
    This is photo from horde discord, last night:
    (...)

    715 HKS in just 1 BG is insane

  6. 14 hours ago  
    This is photo from horde discord, last night:
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    715 HKS in just 1 BG is insane
    Lol, as horse, so you have to get into bg at the right times.

  7. 13 hours ago  
    Simply logging in at the “right time” doesn’t get you into those high-HK battlegrounds.
    These groups are usually full 40-man premades, and they’re not random. They’re:

    - Carefully organized
    - Built with specific class setups (e.g., AoE-heavy comps, High Resilience Front-Line DK, PROT WARS, PALADINS + Often PVE backline , Shadow Priests, Fire Mages, Balance Druids etc.)
    Prioritizing BiS-geared players who are proven contributors and willing to use Free Action Potions

    On top of that, they often only invite people who:

    -Know how to use things like Free Action Potions at the right time
    -Grab every pre-BG buff possible (scrolls, flasks, drums, etc.)
    -Know the “script” — meaning they don’t need raid warnings, discord to know when to push, flank, or hold position.

    So unless you’re part of their core, or already known and trusted by the leaders, you’re not getting in — no matter what time you log on.
    It’s not about timing. It’s about being in the premade, and most players aren’t.

    I’m editing this to add:
    Yes, technically you can join at the “right time” — but only to end up on the enemy team, where you’ll be farmed and contribute to their HK total. That’s usually the only role left for outsiders.
    Edited: 13 hours ago Reason: Add additional information

  8. 12 hours ago  
    This all boils down to "they are seasoned players who know how to play and use that knowledge to their advantage, we have to put a stop to this".

  9. 12 hours ago  
    This all boils down to "they are seasoned players who know how to play and use that knowledge to their advantage, we have to put a stop to this".
    It’s not about stopping skilled players — I play in those same premades myself.
    The issue is not skill, it’s that these groups queue with 40 coordinated players, avoid real fights, and farm solo players stuck in unbalanced matches.

    If it was just about being “seasoned,” they wouldn’t leave when facing another premade.

    Right now, if you're not in a premade, you don’t get to play — you just get farmed.
    That’s not PvP. That’s a broken system that kills fun for everyone else.

    -Solo players can’t compete
    -New players can’t progress
    -And “skilled” players avoid real fights in favor of farming rankings via exploitation

    If this were a healthy PvP environment, premades would welcome fair fights. But right now, it’s not PvP — it’s PvE with live targets who can’t fight back.
    Edited: 12 hours ago Reason: Clarification

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