Just do some rdf hcs happends all the time
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the bell is on AH for 1300 gold, I really don't like that Boe epics are not generally needed by ALL members of the party in a RDF. Most of the time that Player is selling the item if they won it.. Ive been called a ninja for rolling need on items I actually equipped in the dungeon lol clearly an upgrade but not generally used by my class. Hunters can use Intel items for AP they have a talent for it, and if NOONE that can use the item rolls need... I don't see the issue.
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Overwatcher
The issue is they are following our rules, and using Greed if they mean to sell the item. You using Need on something that isn't for your class/specialization is stealing them the chance to get the gold from selling it.
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allowing everyone to roll need on boes, would solve all these issues. A boe has the same value for everybody, everybody should have the same right to roll on it. in that case everybody needing just makes sense. everybody greeding always brings the problem, that someone can need it and get it, and also: disenchanting is a thing. If an expenseive boe drops and I click disenchant to troll, and someone else pushes need to save it from being destroyed or for his offspecc, I can report that guy? Everyone needing fixes all this mess, including that everyone is required to be born with the warmane specific loot rules knowledge or where to find it.
If you win a boe you dont need ms/os -> you sell it for x gold
if you win a boe that you do need ms/os -> you sell it for x gold or equip it, but if you valued the upgrade over the gold, you'd have bought it previously anyways and it wouldnt be an upgrade anymore.
in the end, its always x gold for whoever wins it, doesnt matter if its an upgrade or not. you either get the gold or in extremely rare cases save the same amount of gold, leading to the same end stage.
Boes not being free roll achieves absolutely nothing except a whole lot of confusion, bans and a very slight reluctance of buying boes for people, because they might get lucky and drop it themselves and have loot prio over people who decided to buy itEdited: September 4, 2025
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Overwatcher
No, it doesn't, not for the server. It has higher value for someone in the correct role/class/specialization needing the item as an upgrade.
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Would you mind making a call (or asking the one in charge) about a rule for battered hilt then? Because it's probably the item causing the most headaches for players.
Since it starts a quest and grants an achievement and not a weapon directly it's probably an exception to "you can't roll it if you have a better weapon". But would be great to have it sorted in case there's people going mad again.
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If you go to an ICC raid everyone rolls need on the BoE items. If in the rare case a BoE epic drops in a dungeon then everyone does roll need on it. That is not a Warmane exclusive thing either. It is accepted in this game that you roll need on BoE epics and the winner can sell it. You might even congratulate the winner. Absolutely if Battered Hilt drops almost always everyone in the group will universally agree to roll need and wish everyone good luck.
Breaking down the reasoning for that is as stated above. The logistics behind whether someone needs it or is going to sell it are complicated. It's an item of great value that can benefit everyone. We all collectively got it to drop and were lucky that it did.
There may be a rule for it and you may get the rare dramatic person every once in a while, but I don't think it will change how BoE epics are handled in the game. I think some items actually might be worth taking the ban for honestly. Probably not so much on Icecrown, but a progression server it can be a big deal.
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It does though, I thought I explained clearly why, but in essence: whoever thinks that the upgrade for him is more valuable than the gold (like you), can just buy it without waiting for it to drop
Edited: September 4, 2025
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Overwatcher
You can ask for in-game rules clarifications with a ticket. From my understanding that's a quest item, not a piece of gear, so it falls in the free-for-all category, alike lockboxes.
Well, if it does and I'm wrong, I guess we won't be seeing any threads about someone using Need on a BoE and getting banned for it.
Oh wait...
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You refer to the current rule set, I refer to logic, which arent always agreeing. If the only basis for what's right and wrong are the rules themselves, you can never improve or adapt them. basically the issue that religions face.
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Overwatcher
"No, it doesn't, not for the server."
My words, from the post you quoted, replying that "yes, it does."
Your personal opinion of how things should work doesn't change how they work. Calling it "logic" doesn't gaslight any truth or extra impact to it. Even more so when it's made to sound like being salty that people aren't buying BoE's from the auction house as much as someone would like. The main source of loot is getting drops, not buying them. Buying is an optional way if someone has the gold to spare and/or doesn't want to deal with playing the game to get it.
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Soo, you are trying to tell me, that the majority of people who want a sword of jin, or a ye'ze bell or whatever other ****ty boes can drop on dungeons, that they will run 300 dungeons trying to farm for them instead of getting it in the auctionhouse for 100g once they hit 80? I dont remember the last time I sold a boe and I really couldnt care less about few hundred gold. It's just sad to see people get banned for absolutely nothing. Every raid I ever joined had the rule that boes are free roll, because its simply logical thing to do. the majority of people will carry that *Correct* logic into dungeons and need on boes if they drop. in most groups everybody will do so and problem solved. in some groups some miserable pedant knows that it's technically against the rules and will try to get the people who rolled need banned, even if they agree to reroll it as they werent aware of that nonsensical rule.
"The main source of loot is getting drops, not buying them"
The main point of these cheap, bad boes is to get some sort of gear on a fresh 80, so you are able to que rhc and start getting gear yourself. Basically every person who plays on your server uses them like that. in my 7years or so of playing here and seeing many dozens of boes drop, I cannot recall a single moment where someone won it and equipped it, unless they got it to drop before lvl 80 and therefore hadnt bought it yet.
virtually not a single person ever thought "hmm, I would love to have a sash of jordan, I will run 500 dungeons to get one to drop for me, instead of spending the gold I got from 2 dungeons to buy one"
" Buying is an optional way if someone has the gold to spare and/or doesn't want to deal with playing the game to get it."
only valid for good gear. boe trash is literally just a way of being able to *Start* playing the game
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Overwatcher
No one gets banned for nothing. People get banned for breaking our rules. If you disagree with our rules that strongly that you keep confusing "I agree" with "logic," it might be an indication that this just isn't the place for you.
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I do really like it on warmane, but I also know when I am right and when I am not. in this case I simply am and your only counter-argument is that the current set of rules agrees with you, which is just not an argument as thats the very thing I am criticizing.
Over the years warmane has done a bunch of questionable decisions, mostly inconsitently following 3.3.5 or wrath classic or neither, but as a whole, it's a team I would call better than even blizzard
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Ok so lets say I host a ICC 25 raid and I reserve the boe item drops. Can I get banned for that even I stated it in the LFM inital message that boe drops are reserved? may be off topic but I see this in chat all the time, "boe ress"
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