I *will* give the Ravek example, because first, he posted here and I consider him a friend, and second because given past interactions with many Frostwolf players I know that he is not alone in how he feels. I don't believe you have any more say in anything than anyone else who was playing on the realm.
If we were to lack the respect, which you think we are for some reason, we wouldn't have even given you a post about it. I would've expected that wouldn't have been missed by someone who is "trying to rationalize it from our point of view", which is precisely why I see the comments as bitter.
I don't see the turn of events being disappointing the same as being disrespectful.
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Field Medic Moderator
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It is replies like this that made your players enfuriated to begin with.
May I remind you that you all deserted Frostwolf the moment the community became too toxic, complaining about issues that, to this date, remain unsolved.
You have a new golden goose realm, and that's absolutely fine, just don't slap your players on the face with empty posts that are insulting to say the least.
Needless to say that a moderator here, replying to all of this, acting up like players should be more appreciative, having 0 sense on what rage some players may actually feel towards a now closing realm.
Needless to remind the good ol' saying 'Be lucky you still have an open Frostwolf realm', given by that same person when players questioned the lack of attention to Frostwolf. New players nonetheless, that were dismissed without much of a useful answer to the core issues relating to a, back then, dieing server.
It's true donations are gifts to the company developing a game/server, but there's been a complete desregard to Frostwolf and its' players.
Tell me the last time you set foot on the realm, before you try to speak from your high chairs.
And don't even try to reflect the little to no respect every single player is feeling on your "we wouldn't have even given you a post about it".
This is the pathetic thinking.
All posts will remain bitter because, to this date, you remain blaiming the 'fall of Frostwolf' on its toxic community and previous players, failing to see the big flaws of the realm and its lack of development.
You are the ones that need to be appreciative for those that actually tried to play and be successful in your realm, wasted their hard earned money playing a realm that gave you an outstanding launch population-wise, 'ahead of its' time'.
There is absolutely nothing you can say that you haven't said in previous interactions.
We know too well what you and remaining staff's stand is, in relation to this realm. We don't need your lessons about arrogance and disrespect.
Be mindful of what you offered to players, when you eventually closed down Cataclysm, and compare that to the insignificant 'package' you're offering to your 10-year old community.
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Field Medic Moderator
Can't say I agree with any of this. Nothing in my posts has suggested players should be more appreciative, nor have I been dismissive of negative feelings. I merely contest the claim of disrespect.
Disregard to Frostwolf and its players? The status of the realm's lack of development isn't news, and to claim that it's been disregarded honestly is disrespectful to the work that our devs *did* put into it on their own free time.
I could tell you I was on yesterday, or a year ago. What difference would that make?
Reflect? No, I was speaking fact. If we had no respect for the server and its players, none at all, this thread wouldn't even exist. You claiming otherwise and following suit with an insult only services my refute to the claim of disrespect.
Us having said that the realm might see more development if there was a larger population isn't a blame on the players. That's not your responsibility, of course. However, why would we put development into something that not only is exceptionally more complicated than anything else we are working on, with little-to-no promise of a return in the investment? What business sense does that make?
Yes, the fault of the fate of the realm is entirely on our shoulders, but it would be dishonest to say that it would be good business sense to invest development time and resources into something that offers no promise of a return of said investment.
Maybe there isn't anything else I can say that I haven't already said, but if you honestly believe that you know what my or remaining staff's stance is, and still insist on speaking in the fashion you are, that indicates nothing other than a compulsion to dump negative emotion. Which, I suppose is partly understandable, as it'd only be natural to grieve.
I'm absolutely mindful, and while I think it'd be nice to explore options here, I don't think that resolves any bit of the situation.
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I love how we talking about donating like it was actual gifting money, LOL. People were donating gear because due to the HEAVILY bugged raids nobody could clear. Having to donate hc soo gear in order to clear soo hc, just shameful.
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google the following words: Donate, donation, donating.
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https://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=441483
I'd like to think people would not just ignore the efforts of others.
As previously mentioned multiple times, there was absolutely no effort put into Frostwolf over the past many years, that was not bare minimum.
Keep saying that this thread is the proof of any regard to Frostwolf and any of its players, if it makes you feel good about it. Bottom line is, that's the very minimum you could do as a company?
You had a nice start, things went wrong, management got shady, you salvaged what you could.
You haven't seen any return from Frostwolf simply because none in their right mind would start playing there with the game breaking issues and bugs they would have to face.
I'm not asking for Frostwolf to remain, it's long due for its closure without resolution, but the counteroffer give to players that were currently playing or at least active in game, is simply bullcrap and shows nothing but what sort of thoughts Staff members remain having about the realm.
Keep your insanity going, I'm sure it's best applied into your Wrath of the Lich King realms. May they never have to deal with a third of the issues Frostwolf has/had.
Good day, and heck with you
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Ohno the usual WoTLK people who have no business being here
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To be fair, if none of the money which was made by frostwolf (granted it cant have been a lot the past years) went into actual frostwolf development, and it was purely sustained by devs working on it for free, then it is hard to say that the guy who claimed it's been disregarded by warmane as a company, does not have a point.
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The Lightbringer
I'm not surprised of this at all. Honestly, who would be? Frostwolf's been hanging by a thread for as long as I remember. I expected it to be on the same boat as Neltharion was when it sailed to sunset. Frostwolf just slowly drifted after Neltharion as a ghost ship into the sunset years later.
I do give Warmane criticism on their "two weeks notice." Felt like a slap on the face, and I didn't even play on Frostwolf.
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MoP saw one of the biggest population losses in the history of the game. One that's being seen again in Classic. It's no surprise there isn't much support for it in the private server universe. Low player counts and complex scripting are a losing formula. It would really just be a passion project.
I don't hate the game personally. I leveled a couple toons on Frostwolf a long time ago when it was newer and the community was just never there. It phased out pretty quickly. I think a lot faster than Neltharion because I played that for a while. Scripting in general back then wasn't very complete anyway. I've been playing on MoP Classic even with enough players and it just isn't nearly as strong a game or nostalgic as previous expansions. I'm not alone in thinking that.
I'm surprised Frostwolf was kept up near as long as it was. MoP servers in general don't last very long. Not sure why there would be players here complaining over something that died so many years ago. Would've thought if someone liked MoP they would be chasing the population elsewhere.
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im sad...im playing mop for a few mounths now and i as loving it...some bugs ...sure...
at this moment icecrow realm is going to be full...and im tired of lich king...so one less client probably :(
***: smiigol
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Forum Veteran
Have not played FW for ages ever since the live (downloading) client stopped working, but did spend plenty of coins there and seeing as the items were way more expensive than on wotlk realms any chance any at least partial coin refunds will be made? be nice to bring my spectral steed to Icecrown.
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An instant max-level boost available to be redeemed on Onyxia, our current premier realm, for all players who were active this year and had a maximum level character.
Define "active" please. If someone has one max lvl char and someone has 5 max lvl chars, will they both receive only one boost?
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So first of all:
Testing why things are bugged, and trying to figure it out so that you could report the issue as detailed as possible, just to get ignored for years was not "fun".
Saying your "DEVS" as in plural, is shameful to even point at, as we ALL know including you it was one Dev who only did it on his free time and did good work with the time he had, and was sent on your "premier" realm that is regurgitation of the other one.
Second of all, implying "donations" weren't necessary when your bonus rolls didn't work until the realm died, every encounter at some point was ~20-330% harder (looking at sun mechanic that is suppossed to do 30% max hp, increasing on every subsequent cast by 10%, starting at 100% and increasing by 10% each subsequent cast meaning 2nd cast = 110% dmg).
Then on top of that, not having legendary gem/cloak to progress the raids with (legendary gem - ToT, Cloak - SoO normal clear wich you also couldn't do for years because garrosh was "bugged" (what a coincidence amr??? boss with bis trinket/weapons/offpieces bugged? So that you can only get the gear when you donate hmm..)
Not to mention the fact Nobuemon as a SOLO DEV working on the realm managed to fix, implement that in less than a year, so we can imagine how much "work" other "devs" put in.
On top of that, you didn't even give a proper notice, if someone didn't randomly stumble upon this, noone would even know that the server is closing. Most of the people playing don't even know about the forums cause they're moderated by moderators feelings long ago, and they just remove threads they don't like.
It's quite insane to put it as "you put in your own time into it by your choice and u got to do it for free" implying like it was a privledge to play on this realm, the only reason people played was nostalgia/friendships/character bonds they've made here, not because the server was anything special.
And frankly, the most insane thing about all of this is you implying we are "lucky to have even been given a notice", even a job gives you a 3 week notice, you didn't even bother with that, it's been thought throghly, meanwhile updates were coming at a more frequent rate then when the server had 2k+ pop??
And I again have to loop back to how did one single dev, on his own free time, manage to script legendary quest, fix garrosh almost completely, meanwhile you mentioned "devs" (as in PLURAL) working on the realm???
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Read the terms of service before yapping they dont owe you a single thing. The fact that you are getting a refund for the past year is them being nice.
"DONATIONS
Donations are made on a voluntary basis in appreciation of the Site and the Services. Warmane does not assume any financial obligation with respect to donations. The User must be over 18 to be eligible to make a donation to Warmane. Warmane is not liable for any unauthorized donations. "
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