Tanks we need to talk

[rickyschotForum]

So you mostly play rdf normal, and just start heroic. That mean you almost never raid,... You are far away from the reality. You just have to read in game chat, everytime, everyday people ask for tanks because no one want to play it. That mean most of tank you find in rdf are DPS with offspe and some tank piece (if you are lucky). So these peoples are not real tank, they lack everything as true tank. People do that otherwise they have to wait 30+ min to queue. Meanwhile true tank player don't queue or as dps because it's a pain in *** to tank on this server. why? people don't even have the basic knowledge of their class, rolls,... do random pull, run away with mobs, pop all their cd with 6k+ gs when tank is barely 5k, bump trashes,..... It's simple as tank you are a mop and you are suppose to erase all bs others made and you get insult,.... I'm sorry but that not how it's suppose to work.

I read you play war tank, just try to do some raid. You 'll see how peoples welcome your war tank.....

Interesting point. And yes you're right i never did raids yet, cause on my main character i've got 5k gs and on my alter, 4kGS and all LFG or LFM on the chat only want 5.8+ GS.

Maybe there "real" tanks do their job having the knowledge that every person on the raid can **** himself on some tries.

[jmsvanbuskirk]

Here's another perspective. The players who complain about RDF need to have different expectations going into it. You're creating a negative experience for yourself because you think everyone randomly grouped with you has to behave how you want them to. You'll be disappointed every time. Focus on what you CAN do.

If you are kind and respectful to others in RDF even when they're being difficult then you will have a better experience. If you learn the dungeon and how to play your class effectively then you will have a better experience. If you actually teach and talk your teammates through problems then you will have a better experience.

Mark the targets if needed. Ask for a mana break. Resurrect the person anyway. Bring extra food/water for teammates. Actually say hello or thank you. If you get kicked then you're probably bad at the game or being disrespectful. There's a lot you can contribute to help your group win and it's just about being a team player.

[Vereniki]

Do I need to mention the "tanks" that are NOT TANKS? Rets Furry wars DKs etc wielding SM (in the BEST case senario) entering RDF saying "HEAL HARD" (in the best case senario) or you just figure it out yourself as you heal hard wantering "Why is this tank so squishy???". Half way down the dungeon you politely ask the stank if at least they have tanking gear. The usual reply? "Are you worries about ckicking some more buttons BRO???". You give up and you just drop the dungeon cause you have more healer toons to bring in an RDF and get your wits pushed to the limmit. And in the rare case you find a true tank that IS a team player, checks the mana, pulls wisely and can take a crit from a random mob, you complement them like "thank you for being a true tank" or "Nice tanking" and they think you are mocking them, cause judjing by themselves (as one usually does) they have no idea about the TRASH melee dps that want to skip the wait of the averige rdf and sign in as TANK.

[Mitzen]

Do I need to mention the "tanks" that are NOT TANKS?

They aren't tanks, they are DPS "queue skippers."

Don't lob some random impatient DPS's and actual legit tanks together.

[rickyschotForum]

Both of you have some point.

But RDF as it warn you and don't let you enter an specific dungeon if you don't have enough GS, it should block you to join the dungeon if your equipment or abilities does not match with the role you choose (tank in this case).

The only thing that I expect from a tank is get the aggro. That's all. No damage, not to finish the dungeon in 4 min... only the aggro. Cause 80% of the times the party dies are because the "tank" didn't get the aggro properly.

As I said before, I played as a tank (human warrior) and I know it's a role hard as **** and the new players has to know that before pick that spec. In fact, I'm not playing anymore as a tank because I found it hard, and I know I can't tank because I don't know how to do it.

--- everybody knows that hunter and pala are the easiest picks to new players, well it seems that ppl don't understand that Tank role is not for everyone.

[Xauri]

Tanks never check if the healer or the dps have mana.

Quite often when I see the healer is 50% mana or lower, I ask "healer mana?" What I typically get in return is "just go", or sometimes "GO", or even "GOGOGO".

Tanks make every pull without checking if all the party is ready.

Same thing this scenario, "just go", or sometimes "GO", or even "GOGOGO".

I've tanked groups where the freaking healer is pulling, in instances like POS, group after group.

When a tank dies, they never release, they just wait for the healer and, without saying a word, they wait for the res from the healer.

If tank accidently dies, and there is a resser in the surviving party, what's wrong with this? Why won't the resser offer to res the tank? It saves time. Can you please res the tank?

If the tank comes with 1000+ GS than the rest of the party, after 2 bosses they'll vote for kick you for "no damage" or "noob" or whatever.

Wish some tanks wouldn't do this. But random heroic dungeons you get people like this, and the rest of the party become sheeple. They follow suite. This sucks and I hear you. But not all of us tanks do this.

[phrias]

Both of you have some point.

But RDF as it warn you and don't let you enter an specific dungeon if you don't have enough GS, it should block you to join the dungeon if your equipment or abilities does not match with the role you choose (tank in this case).

The only thing that I expect from a tank is get the aggro. That's all. No damage, not to finish the dungeon in 4 min... only the aggro. Cause 80% of the times the party dies are because the "tank" didn't get the aggro properly.

As I said before, I played as a tank (human warrior) and I know it's a role hard as **** and the new players has to know that before pick that spec. In fact, I'm not playing anymore as a tank because I found it hard, and I know I can't tank because I don't know how to do it.

--- everybody knows that hunter and pala are the easiest picks to new players, well it seems that ppl don't understand that Tank role is not for everyone.

So in the end, you give up playing tank in normal rhc (not even heroic, raid,... ) because it's too hard but complain about how tank suck.... what a mind****.
Normally you learn (reading guid, videos, ing exp, asking others tank;...), try, fail, ... again and again. And then become a tank but like most of player on this server if it's not working out of box, they give up. Now you must understand what I said when I talk about "real" tank.

I would love to see you ask for raid as pwar and get reject, mock,....

[rickyschotForum]

So in the end, you give up playing tank in normal rhc (not even heroic, raid,... ) because it's too hard but complain about how tank suck.... what a mind****.
Normally you learn (reading guid, videos, ing exp, asking others tank;...), try, fail, ... again and again. And then become a tank but like most of player on this server if it's not working out of box, they give up. Now you must understand what I said when I talk about "real" tank.

I would love to see you ask for raid as pwar and get reject, mock,....

Of course I did. Cause I knew that tank is a hard role and I quit, I not stay on RDF as tank to **** everyone else experience like the tanks I'm talking about in this post.

[fwotlk0011]

I’ve never seen a DPS pull on purpose. I’ve never seen a DPS standing in front of a tank.

I know you wrote that 2 weeks ago, but I really had to laugh here.

Look at this screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/nNSiaGV.jpeg

This screenshot was taken on the day of my last tank role in RDF HC.
What you see is me standing next to my healer, waiting for his mana to refill,
while all three DPS randomly went ahead and pulled the extra boss in Stratholme.
They didn’t even bother to wait for me, let alone the healer.

My healer got mad and left.
That was the last time I tanked on this server.

And if it's not the DPS doing this, then it's a Druid or Paladin healer
who decides to start pulling more packs.

This server simply has a huge narcissism or anti-social problem,
whatever you want to call it.

[rickyschotForum]

I know you wrote that 2 weeks ago, but I really had to laugh here.

Look at this screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/nNSiaGV.jpeg

This screenshot was taken on the day of my last tank role in RDF HC.
What you see is me standing next to my healer, waiting for his mana to refill,
while all three DPS randomly went ahead and pulled the extra boss in Stratholme.
They didn’t even bother to wait for me, let alone the healer.

My healer got mad and left.
That was the last time I tanked on this server.

And if it's not the DPS doing this, then it's a Druid or Paladin healer
who decides to start pulling more packs.

This server simply has a huge narcissism or anti-social problem,
whatever you want to call it.

You're wrong. I know that you can't read this with your account 'cause you have been banned, but:

This server is awesome. It's giving me the best moments of my free time. There's a lot of nice ppl to meet and to make new friends.

Unfortunately, there's some players not doing great and I hope my post open some mind (one is worth).


Lastly, let me take a moment for a laugh here, watching another tank being banned claimming that he was the sheep and the DPS were the wolves.

[Obnoxious]

His ban had nothing to do with that.

[OOFMAN]

I only want to know if someone who wants to play as Tank has an unspoken agreement to be braindead over 9000.

All the tanks in dungeons are trash. And when i say all, it's all of them.

Did you played with every tank on the server to jump into that kind of conclusion?

Tanks never check if the healer or the dps have mana. Tanks make every pull without checking if all the party is ready.

Yeah this can happen, and as a tank main i wont deny that i sometimes just forgot to check Healer's mana before pulling, but well it happens when you tank A LOT of dungeons, and sometimes we just zone out and just tank.

Tanks have more ego than an American celebrity,

Or tank is just wants a bit more respect, but yeah the fact that you are hard to replace makes fot a tank harder to stay humble.

and if you do more damage than them, they will make 2 choices:
1- leave the dungeon.
2- kick the guy who's doing more damage than them.

What? I never seen a situation where tank was unhappy with dps making more damage. Maybe the problem was somewhere else.

When a tank dies, they never release, they just wait for the healer and, without saying a word, they wait for the res from the healer.

Depends, when tank died but rest is alive, it's way faster to ress a tank than to wait for tank to walk here. But if everyone wiped, then yeah thats kinda lazy behaviour.

If the tank comes with 1000+ GS than the rest of the party, after 2 bosses they'll vote for kick you for "no damage" or "noob" or whatever.

This happens very rarely, maybe the reason is diffrent like for example some dps just pressed "NEED" on tank gear that tank was after and then refused to give it back to tank. As a tank main myself i really dont care how much people do dps on dungeons as long as we go through dungeon.

This is not just my opinion, talking with people on different channels of Discord, they agree.

I dont know who are you talking with but i think you should find a diffrent group, less complaining one.

So, what's going on with tanks?

Douchebags and bad apples can be found everywhere not only among tanks. Trust me DPS and healers are not holy either and still have these bad people.

Like for example i could ask "WHAT IS WRONG WITH DPS" because i seen some dps players happy pulling or not waiting for me to reposition mobs before i secure aggro but push all buttons and then they complain that they got killed by mobs.

Or i could ask "WHAT IS WRONG WITH HEALERS" because i seen some healers being really obsessed with saving mana to the point that they start casting healing spell with ttank has less than 20% hp and then they complain about "Paper tanks".

[phrias]

I just one man spamming "tank queue rhc" why, and in this case then to play tank. This is the answer on lord, that 'll give you an idea about the mentallity of players and why no one play tank.

p.s: Seriously peoples have a problem with skada, or whatever. Even in dungeon they are looking at it.