as far as im concerned - it's not only flame shocks issue. it's general issue with lavalash . it hits like ****. confirmed by all enhancement shamans who i know on frostwolf realm, and not only them.. tested with hunters, mages paladins rogues druids .. hit and crit variations are just out-of any logic.
my maximum what i could pull out (i got no idea how) was 43k with s11t2 weapon in offhand .. on a undergeared lock with 2k resil. (once... after bg's i take a look into skada data ... usual is around 11k, maximum 27k LOL )
StormStrike hits target for ~12k, lavalash followed next with 7.8k . gg.
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Something is really wrong, sometimes when i get 2 stacks of searing flame, my lava lash usually crits more than with 5 stacks of searing flame. Doesn't seem to be scaling correctly and yes i can confirm too lava lash seems to be making less damage, several bgs my highest crit with lava lash has been like 16k-27k.
well i made some tests in bg without flame shock, i had 5 stacks of searing flame and my lava lash hit only 7k. So the problem isn't only with flame shock. Lava lash is fcked up.
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IDK if it's only for pvp, but in pve, even in aoe situations, I still get 90k-120k lava lashes. I can't even think of a reason why you all are doing less.
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I don't know why you complain, enhancement shamans dominate the DPS in raids atm 35-60k depending on boss. Every decent Enhancement Shaman I saw in raids did up to 120 - 160k Lava Lashes its maybe normal, and I've seen warriors executing for 140 - 280k (on some bosses with debuff mechanics ofc).
I remember when elemental did 100k fulminations in raids( and 40k in arena) and people QQed so hard it got nerfed(fixed?) to 30-40k in raids and <20k in pvp.
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stop with your pve trash. please. thank you very very much. this thread never and never had nothing to do pve-wise.
problem is not about "low" lavalash damage at all, problem here is that it drops from usual 90-110k to 10k pve-wise, and from ~45k(which is fully fine, considering 5 totem stacks) to 1k pvp wise, this is the part which every single one of you pros missed.
just love how people argue over something - they dont even know what.
also, could you please stop counting in RNG procs from vial of shadows, and nokaeled axes ? check the goddamn recount / skada before you post some bull****.
if you think we're overscaling, we're bugged, some exploits are available - give us a way onto which we should do reasearch, as of this moment - when played without any exploits, your dps on a single target cannot reach 60k dps nomatter what.
loving how people started to qq about enha shamans after epic Maelstrom weapon fix, which is just an epic boost for pvp in survivability terms .. yet there was no "fixes" related to damage, only a "nerf" (hue hue doesnt matter at all) to a flametongue weapon imbue.
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Oh yea,enh shaman is ANIMAL in pve now
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ROFL 160k? Calling total BS on that. I don't think you actually know what you are talking about. 35-40k in raids is pretty much maximum for enh right now, and that's sad compared to other melee classes.
Back to the subject... The only thing I noticed is when there is only one target, my lava lash crits almost every time(generally 9/10 times), but when there are more than one target in range, I almost never crit lava lash(barely 2/10 times), which means 90k-120k lava lashes down to 40k-60k. Although, it is still possible to get crits in aoe situations, it's less of a chance by far than when single target. That is all I came up with when I tested this bug out. I just tested 10 lava lashes at a time though before checking data and resetting recount.
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http://forum.molten-wow.com/bugtraq.php?do=view&vbug_id=13594
but i somehow doubt, that it's the only part of the problem .. tho could be. need to wait another year for this to get fixed, same as it was with maelstrom weapon (which had bugged (lowered ppm) since 4.06 went live.)
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Okey, lets take it like this enh shammys are easy to play and they are op, but you still won't see any enh shammy with a considerable high arena rating, damn those few enh shammys even trying to get a high arena rating! damn them all.
Ele/enh shammys defensive skills can't even be compared to other classes defensive skills, they are meant to give high bursts, but their survivability is bad, ele being the worse ofc. Enh shammys burst all comes from procs, then yes you can make high crits, but that doesn't mean you go around bg-s giving 75k crits to all people. That is just ridiculous and weirdly all those "proofs" comes from bg-s, where everybody can make high crits to you, i'd like to see that in a arena pls. What else... you can't compare Molten's arena ladder with AT or retail, it just isn't the same level, people there prefer to play more safer/easier comps and that doesn't mean that enh shammys are bugged as fu*k here, because 2 enh shammys in MOLTEN got a 2.2k rating. Those big talks who could easily get 2.6k please do that.
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Are you kidding me, I got over 200k LL crits in raid and I got no problems topping the meter. Right now actually enhancement is the most overpowered melee class even though it's so highly crit dependent. 45k DPS on dummy without buffs, just imagine how much could be done on raids with bonus dmg, with all these buffs and if you get lucky enough - 100% crits on LL.
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why noone covers dem statements with screenshots from skada / recount / character tab ? i really wonder .. also, dummies takes additional AOE damage from lavalash via dot spreading and fire nova upon cd, so you're doing AOE damage to all 4 (3 if raiders ) dummies.
please, when you post something, could you at least provide some proofs ? this is extremely annoying.
omg did 400k lavalash on rajh omg full ds hc + nokaeled proc axes omg omg im pro. - this is how i see it when i read anything related to overpowered.
and yes, 160k+ lashes are possible, tho depends on counters. pve-wise only.
http://armory.molten-wow.com/charact...ot/Neltharion/
double 416 nokaeled. 416 perma 1k agil trinket. matrix trinket from ragna, which doubles my amount of mastery.flask of the winds (300agil) when you burst - +1200 agil from potion, it's clearly in your armory link right this moment. my gawd people .. just stop posting.
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Right now I can't provide screenshots because the internet where I am right now is only good for chat, forums and everything you could possibly do with 64kbps. Flame shock is not always spread on dummies and to be more specific I actually tested my DPS on some mob in Shattrath City and nothing could possibly get flame shock around me.
About the overpowered part - enhancement for sure is overpowered compared to the retail version. You can ask anyone who understands how the shaman works and is not just little envy guy like you.
Tell me what would you do if someone gifts you 100 coins, wouldn't you buy something from coin shop? If you got something better do with 100 coins tell me, I'm here ready for listening.
"just stop posting" - Really? At least next time you want to criticize someone do it like a man with education, not like some neanderthal. Try to use commas, breaks and some capital letters it will help you a lot when you need to write something more significant - like CV, cover letter or anything that could be used in real life. Just for your information I've read what you think about people using grammar as an argument and I am just trying to explain you why it would be nice to know something more than just connecting words in a sentence. The world now takes English language as you should be able to use it as your own and knowing something more could escalate you to higher floor on your life stairwell.
Best regards and take care of yourself :)
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on retail you had all of that gear too, obviously.
what ? just.. like .. what ? how is donations even related to this ? oh wait, that you already got better gear, than most ? than again, how's donating bad ? did i state it's bad ? did i state that you cannot donate for gear? i did not, it's non of my buisnes to tell you on what you can donate, or cannot. i pointed out a simple fact, that you already got end-game gear, with double 416 axes, which are BIS, and has it's own proc system, which procs more, than it should, and can actually proc-off at the same time., than you involve brain and do a lil' calculations based on your current mastery amount, considering raid buffs and talents, you're all sooooo pro here, yet - noone... not a single person pointed out on anything related to BIS nokaled axes IN BOTH HANDS!Tell me what would you do if someone gifts you 100 coins, wouldn't you buy something from coin shop? If you got something better do with 100 coins tell me, I'm here ready for listening.
yet again you involve grammar, simply cuz yeah, i did some explanation about this in a "Grammar thread", you can look for it and read, since .. im annoyed to repeat myself over and over and over and over and over again., also - please read carefully how your grammar does look @ that post, i can only say ... you're eve worse @ that, rather than at enhancement shamans. sad sad - very sad.
why you cannot involve some simple maths, calculations if you're imba 100500 rated pro retailer ? why is that so hard, please, explain ? why do you only state damage is bigger, than it should be ?
5k rate glads since classic just owns this thread about "OP" part, yet if you read carefully enough .. you notice, that noone is mentioning what gear he has, nor obvious issue with no'kaled axes....
your arena rate "96" clearly shows how op enhancement shamans are.
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in a 5 days time - nothing.
you were last online 19 hours ago - you still cant upload screenshots with your epic skillz in pulling more dps than anyone else ?
usual for all of these heroes, troll-wannabes if you wish.
bumping for the great laugh. pvp papa's cant win an argument. qq plz nerf :(
/me le ***.
enha shamans too op. 83k ice lance on 4473 resil. plz buff.
duel conditions. durotar.
145k hp shaman un-buffed. gg just gg. pro obviously yep. mages too skilled molten plz buff. requires epic skillcap.
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As you said it yourself, he could've had crazy mastery procs, trinket, pot, and idk what else to pull off such crit. Also he could use some 410illvl pve with loads of mastery...
As I mentioned in earlier posts, I've seen enhancement pulling over 60k dps on DS bosses, ofcourse with end game Axes, but nothing else from the marketplace, while the rest of the pack with simmilar gear/skillz is around 35-40k.
And Im happy about it, Im just not happy that other classes are too far behind...not everyone wants to roll a warrior or Enh.
And ofcourse as soon as I get the chance I will post a SS.
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