Surprisingly enough, I have to back Obnoxious up on this one. As a person that has direct contact with the owner of this thread, as a fellow officer of this same person and as a person that helped him making this thread, I can ensure you, in multiple conversations that me and Blanzehellion (also known as Tinkerbelle) had we're not expecting any kind of answers from the Forum Staff or Development team. It shouldn't be their responsability to handle this kind of situations and with that said they don't have the obligation of being aware of this kind of situations and respective rules for each exploit or mechanic. Sure, they might know it but I highly doubt that they have any obligation thowards this issue.
The only thing that I'm personally expecting is one person from the adequated category to make any kind of statement in this thread. I can't agree with you, Disktrasa, when it comes up to forum moderators or administrators. They shouldn't get themselves involved in this. The only thing they can do (I guess?) is keep the thread clean and open as long it remains healthy.
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Quite missed the point, Dont agree with what. All I said was telling people to not bash since many posts was made just to show their negative feelings towards the GM's, Devs, Mods whatever, about this matter.
The wierd thing I thought about it was, why just take this critisism, when its not even on their agenda.
Tbh even I didnt know that only GM's was to awnser these things, call me stupid but I allways had the thought that everyone in the warmane staff had eachother on skype / ts, whatever and talked actively with eachothers.Edited: March 18, 2016
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They might talk with each others but remember that there's a rank to follow. They might all work for the same project but they still have a ladder to follow. Same thing as any other job unless you work by yourself.
Even if you have direct contact with an individual that doesn't mean he's going to take action immediatly. I could advise you to do some sort of action but that doesn't mean that you would do it. Even if you said you would that doesn't necessarily define a time space for that to happen. The only thing that surprises me is how we're discussing on a thread that already goes on four thousand views and the deafening silence goes on.
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as someone with actual forum moderator experience
forum cm/mod and developer sections are usually kept separate
obnoxious answered you on page 1.. moderators have nothing to do with bug fixes.
and they aren't going to be fixed any time soon. you should be grateful to the devs lk is even killable these days. welcome to pserver.Edited: March 18, 2016
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He's been killable on normal since 2011 and heroic since 2012, aside from those brief periods where LK was actually impossible (falling through the platform, tirion having no gossip option, etc) I don't think "these days" is even close to accurate.
Anyways, all I'm really trying to say is that there is far too much exploiting going on to bypass mechanics that work decently. I can understand a work around for a mechanic that can't be done any other way, like stunning valks because they just don't work right. But when something like Malleable Goo or Gas Clouds work in a doable way then I see no excuse at all for anyone to be bypassing it.Edited: March 18, 2016
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lol
stop please.
because i streamed someone doing something means im the exploiter am i right? maybe you should reread all my posts. the guy was gkicked and removed by me personally because we dont tolerate that crap. it happened again last month when i was on vacation so lets throw a huge fit about that too right? please son get a grip will ya? 99% of molten guilds use joj and post it on their kill screenshots weekly. they never gkick those players. never punish them. they encourage use of cyclone on valks and joj on bosses. but lets not raise hell about that am i right?
where or when did i lie at all? please explain that pile of monkey horse doo doo. He used it. i gkicked him. ive said that a thousand times. are you blind or something?
he clearly did something that is not banable at this point in time but its something we will NOT tolerate. send videos to staff of it. im sure it wont be banned and if it is a ban then ill gladly take that ban.they will have to ban all the guilds on molten too then. we cannot police everyone we raid with. get that through your thick skull and stop being oblivious.
better yet why dont you leave the personal crap out of this. im sure your one of those OMG FUNKY HAS A STREAM AND I HATE HIM ignorant little ****s that comes to the stream to say something stupid or your guild got caught being banned or the more reasonable answer is your spreading that jelly on thick especially since your making even more false claims calling me a liar and all this other stuff.
if you want to come at me you know where i am. come get at me on the stream in game or PM. or if you choose to slander me and call me a liar at least have some proof before you decide to open your useless mouth.
god every year these forums get more filled with cancer than before with people so absolutely stupid it blows my mind.
new ICC and server merge soon will fix all this crap anyways so i cant wait to see people who use JoJ cyclone and explosive trap crap on a weekly basis get wrecked.
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Not doing the blame game Funky, But I "Diskhandskar" on the stream chatt said, "why is lich so slowed that tanks can outrun him" and you went, "he's not slowed, we never judge" without even looking into the matter at all, thats exactly what they reacted to and if you watch the youtube clip about it, the guy who made the video also gets hooked up on it.
Allthough even if he did use JoJ, the Tank didnt kite boss like most exploiting guilds do, he still tanked it normally so it wasen't even that big of a deal if you ask me. You had a few secs without dmg taken on tank when he positioned it but thats it.
I would have the same reaction as you, who would be stupid enough to get gkicked for exploiting like that when your in the best guild on your factions side, Imo it makes no sence and I would also be very supprised if people in our guild did it.Edited: March 18, 2016
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It's not even the point of doing the blame game. It's the point of standing up and saying: " Yes, we did get a kill through this. " - Say whatever you want to say. A tank not getting hit for a total of 26 seconds (I just counted the seconds of the video edit. I don't even want to see the full kill or it will be even worst) that means that you're dropping AT LEAST an average of 1.3M to 1.5M HP to Lich King and the tank didn't get any damage. Seems like a really decent trade off doesn't it? Too bad it's not a LEGAL trade off. Also I'll remind you of a thing that you make question of raising every single thread: A Radiance member got caught GCD hacking on a stream didn't he? The whole guild got banned didn't them? Good. I hope this brings a little bit of common sense to your lack of justice sense.
Also I'll remind you and every single offended individual - We made this thread for several guilds. We pointed out three guilds (didn't give names) but if you really made question of including your own guild in this package I guess that who has a butt has to cover it. I did call you a liar 'cause as Disk said and said really properly;
You point out that every single guild in Molten needs to be banned then. Do you have proof for such a huge statement? 'Cause I'm pretty sure all the LoD's I did didn't use JoJ, HoP's and so on. I'm 100% sure about that. But feel free to check mine and my guildies background. I'll be here waiting.
My point with you and your guild is settled to me. Now if you don't mind, post with manners 'cause I didn't insult you in any manner. It's the so called consciousness. My conversation with you in this thread is done since you want to make it personal. If you want; Feel free to PM me. Now keep the thread clean of this bullcrap since it is one of the most interesting threads that I've seen in the forums for a while and with really solid points/questions.
P.S: Don't confuse "throwing a fit" with "making proper questions with evidences". Throwing a fit is what you did when you got banned with the RS exploit that you already tried to defend yourself against me with retail videos that proof you wrong once again. I even linked you the videos to show you how wrong you were. Keep in mind you are not the only Retail player here.Edited: March 18, 2016
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25hc? Cmon...
>Twice the viles
They can be handled in the same way as any retail strat would allow. Soaking them. Usually killing them would be a thing, but I guess there's little point if you have people who can soak.
>Twice the Valks (or even 3-4 times the Valks)
On 25hc, they CAN be SLOWED unlike in 10n. Twice the Valks shouldn't be an issue when you can slow them and most raid comps for LoD nowadays have more than THREE TIMES the number of dps people to attack the Valks. This isn't even mentioning that you only have to dps the Valks down to HALF of their health, which is relatively equivalent to the amount of health they have on 10, nor the fact that your raid should be far more heavily geared on LoD than they are on 10n.
>Easily spot who's grabbed
On a blizz-like encounter, Valks DO NOT MISS. As a result, we nuked every single Valk when it came out, and we'd drop them to 15-20% before realizing it had missed. This isn't even to mention that it's far easier to get by on a blizz-like LoD with 1 or 2 people dead than it would be in 10.
>People spread for defile but Valks come at about the same time
Uhhh, yeah, there's plenty of space for placement on the platform. If everyone pays attention like they should and move to where they need to be, this won't be an issue.
To put it simply, people don't try hard enough. Of course it's more difficult, it's LoD for crying out loud. That doesn't mean it's impossible, because it's not.
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Reminding myself that our group was Melee heavy with only 2 RDPS'ers. Even with the Valks popping up at the same time as Defile we were able to deal with them. If you need more attention? Yes, you do. If you need more "tryhard mode"? Yes, you do. It all depends on people being focused or sloppy.
Now stating that it's impossible it's a twisted reality. It's a complete possible objective.
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If there's an impossible to kill legit boss in ICC heroic, it's PP.
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Are you serious right now? You really going to try and make this personal?
Edited: March 19, 2016
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You say I don't know, but you've went and made it clear that you don't even know what you're arguing. We're here, talking about exploits and how things should work, and then you try and say things like OH BUT THIS ISNT BLIZZARD. I wasn't even arguing. I was just clarifying points. Clearly you took it personally. You're saying things about me that aren't even relevant to this discussion. If you can't keep yourself from being butthurt or offended (which you've given everyone the impression of since you started posting in this thread), then you really shouldn't be posting here. All you're doing is making a fool of yourself.
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I didn't antagonize anything. If you took anything I said personal, that's your problem.
I said nothing of the sort. "You can do it without exploiting" == "it can be done as in retail"
Your inability to comprehend what I posted is, again, not my problem.
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I guess the natural question here is who has actually tried just soaking them here? And I don't mean the people who decided typhooning was the "only" way to do it because that was what they came up with.
