fyi just in case no one mentioned it (didnt read the whole thread) abandonware has nothing to do with why blizzard has taken no action, its the different laws in eu(not regarding abandonware) why they are still somewhat safe, this might and probably will change once the transatlantic trade agreement has gone into effect.
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I'm not sure this is the case here, we used to play on Molten WotLK while it was running on retail, although we were always 1 or 2 patches behind, but we were on the same expansion. I think legally there are plenty of terms that have to be taken into account not just being on the same expansion/patch or whatever.
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Actually, Warmane, (molten) has an agreement with Blizzard that gives Molten the services to run it's servers. Blizzard won't sue Warmane unless the agreement is broken. I'm not sure the details of the agreement but it is in place.
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The details are held by the Illuminati from Venus, who spread misinformation and conspiracy theories to lead people away from your truth.
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Dude that's false, I can get you some retail peeps to confirm that, and the same guy who can and will confirm that was the one who made the post on battle.net.
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This is some amazing intel you've got here. Why do people claim stuff like that to be facts when it's merely a ******ed theory with zero logic?
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Well Blizzard can still shut down warmane regardless of what expansions warmane has. I mean they HAVE shut down that vanilla private server recently. (Can't remember it's name.) Although it takes quite a bit of resources to do such I would assume.
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How exactly does playing retail entitle us to that kind of info? Why wasn't I told this when I signed up? Come on, Warmane, where are these perks?
Really though, I suspect Blizz will be moving on to the next xpac by the time a semi-functional Warmane WOD server is available.Edited: May 12, 2015
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World of Warcraft lost 3 millions subs and all internet medias like IGN, Gamespot and others reflected it and even disputed how this might affect the private servers for example. If there is any 'danger' it will be caused by the loss of players on retail, because Blizzard would like to make these people return somehow, and closing private servers to prevent people from playing the game in other way is one way to drag back people into retail, practically, if people are still willing to pay to play, which on it's hand I can't approve, because people don't want to pay anymore.
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You have no clue what you are talking about.
You've completely frabricated this and have no idea how software or legal IP works.
This is nothing but buzzwords and rumors.
I'm CEO of a multi-$m tech company, have built many previously even bigger than this, and know plenty about tech/software IP.
The fact that warmane is not shutdown has NOTHING to do with it not having a WoD server.
It has to do with where they host the servers for warmane which I believe is in Russia.
It also has to do with the jurisdiction where they host websites, payment processing, and all their assets (banks accounts, registrations, etc).
ANY server, even a classic wow server on version 1.0 will get shut down if its being hosted in the US and gains any tractions.
This has been happening for YEARS and will continue to.
Now it is fair to say that ANY server that gains allot of traction and publicity is going to get blizzard to take a look at trying to shut it down.
There used to be MANY really big servers which were prosecuted very smartly by blizzard even though they were hosted in places like amsterdam (holland) and various other very safe places with strict liberty laws.
They were not using latest expansions, but they had upwards of 50k active players at once and this is a direct reduction of paid customers in blizzards eyes so they evaluate how much it costs to take down a server versus how much they are losing in potential retail sales because of the playerbase there.
THIS is how you do legal prosecution work and protect your IP. Fortunately some countries dont cave in to draconian IP laws which much of the western countries are subscribed to. Even as a tech CEO myself owning IP which I regularly protect - I dont believe in forcing people to pay for licensing usage of a piece of software that they have already bought. I believe we as consumers should be able to chose. Therefor I not only play on molten (err, warmane) but have donated more here than I ever paid to blizzard, while playing there for a good few years on multiple accounts.
Because I chose my service and warmane provides the service I want as a customer. Simple as that.
If blizzard wasnt so stupid they would actively allow private server hostings and setup a kind of affiliate program where they provide support and tools in exchange for a small profit share fee.
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Agree with most of it.
However I don't think it is classified as fair use because Warmane is profiting. Period. I don't profit therefore USING WARMANE falls under FAIR USE FOR ME to not get sued but as far as Warmane... I seriously doubt that. We all know that the "donation" thing is a workaround. It is just a way to be able to legally charge players for services by calling it "donations" when in reality you are paying for a service.
Pretty sure Blizz has to get a cut somewhere and hopefully Warmane can afford it. I sure couldn't when I hosted but I took steps that were much further than most servers have done and attempted a total conversion. You would have to speak to me in PM about this.
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Try again, last time they where hosted at OVH in france.
Warmane was hosted in US for some time, and after the wipe for a few days aswell... I think this might be true, but not really sure.
Maybe they should host some legacy servers themselves with reduced fees.... but that would probably draw allmost all attention from current expansions ;)
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OVH does not care, I have several servers rented there and I know that well. They are too big to give a ****.
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Blizzard recently lost a big court case against the maker of Honorbuddy in a German appellate court- they were even forced to pay Honorbuddy's attorney fees. I hope and expect that this result has reduced even further Blizzard's desire to use European courts to shutdown those they see as their legal enemies. The truth of the matter is that US courts have been very supportive of Blizzard, but European courts seem to look at Blizzard as a rich US corporation attacking local citizens who just want to play a game.
I have no idea how the law in Europe works, but I do know that if the courts in a particular jurisdiction decide they don't like you then they can usually find a reason to rule against you. And European courts seem to have decided they don't like Blizzard very much.Edited: June 3, 2015
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There are a lot of WoD private servers and 0 are shuted down
