Share something pointless about your life!

[Baleroc]

Because, somehow, in the books you read, getting actually depressed over something you apparently consider trivial and unable to get someone depressed is invalid for causing depression. I guess your books have a list of what can and what can't trigger depression? I'll pass though, it's not my kind of humor.

Obnoxious,

I have been reading your posts for the past 6 pages. Arguments with multiple people on the forum. Clearly, these arguments are all fallacies that you are trying to contradict, but I see little use.

As a moderator, you should be moderating the forums, in particular, following the forum guidelines and protecting those who do not rather than arguing with multiple people, in essence, that reach no conclusion.

Conversely your role being to answer questions, it is not to argue on the forums about a topic irrelevant. A simple answer like Sapphire and Euphemism would of been appropriate, to then immediately remove themselves from the conversation. Instead, you continue to argue your point that will reach no outcome, as the previous discussion illustrated.

As it clearly states in the forum rules on the Off-Topic, point four states: do not flame, accuse, or start drama. Through my judgement, the multiple pages that has incurred in this thread has resulted as an argument, or "drama", if you would. More specifically, an emotional circumstance that players clearly are reciting their past, beyond the scope of the rules.

Hopefully that puts perspective. This discussion is not appropriate for the forums.

[Djokula]

Obnoxious,

I have been reading your posts for the past 6 pages. Arguments with multiple people on the forum. Clearly, these arguments are all fallacies that you are trying to contradict, but I see little use.

As a moderator, you should be moderating the forums, in particular, following the forum guidelines and protecting those who do not rather than arguing with multiple people, in essence, that reach no conclusion.

Conversely your role being to answer questions, it is not to argue on the forums about a topic irrelevant. A simple answer like Sapphire and Euphemism would of been appropriate, to then immediately remove themselves from the conversation. Instead, you continue to argue your point that will reach no outcome, as the previous discussion illustrated.

As it clearly states in the forum rules on the Off-Topic, point four states: do not flame, accuse, or start drama. Through my judgement, the multiple pages that has incurred in this thread has resulted as an argument, or "drama", if you would. More specifically, an emotional circumstance that players clearly are reciting their past, beyond the scope of the rules.

Hopefully that puts perspective. This discussion is not appropriate for the forums.

People dont disscus serious things here that often,this was kinda good for a change of things

[Chuttbeeks]

---snap---

I disagree, while some of his posts were on the verge of ad hominem attacks, it's essentially still a healthy discussion. We have always asked the staff to be more open and transparent about things, for me this would include their freedom of expression in every day conversations like these.

No one will solve anything by having these discussions. But sharing each others views, while very conflicting in this case, is not a bad thing.

[Mercy]

I disagree, while some of his posts were on the verge of ad hominem attacks, it's essentially still a healthy discussion. We have always asked the staff to be more open and transparent about things, for me this would include their freedom of expression in every day conversations like these.

No one will solve anything by having these discussions. But sharing each others views, while very conflicting in this case, is not a bad thing.

I'll have to agree with you. Requesting that the moderators not be allowed to take part in discussions on the very forum the moderate is not only "unhealthy" for the relationship between the staff and the community, but it would also serve to demotivate the moderator in question from their duties. I also don't see anyone getting "upset" over it, either. It's OK to have disagreements, particularly when I don't see anyone getting visibly offended.

Myself and Arlequina, both, have requested that each of the moderator team should interact with the community in discussions such as this one, at their own discretion of course. The very reason for that being things outlined above both by myself and by Chuttbeeks.

[Kemii]

Hopefully that puts perspective. This discussion is not appropriate for the forums.

And why not?

If we cannot have an open discussion about things like this they turn into taboo and stigmatised.
The world cannot blanket over something which affects a major part of the human race, things need to be talked about and in a forum like this it allows those people to have an honest and frank answer with the added anonymity to it.

The fact moderators are getting involved in this only adds to how important this can be, and how even they have are allowed to have their say. You might not agree with their opinions, but they are free to have their say too. They are getting involved with their community, before they felt nothing more than overseers with what felt like a lack of personality. Now thanks to changes we get to see them as humans, and I tell you something the respect they gained (from me at least) for showing this is more than before.

[Radvo]

.... so

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what happened to the short posts in off-topic

[Obnoxious]

DSM-IV stands for Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (fourth revision); it's a collection of criteria for diagnosing mental disorders, and makes no effort to explain the causes of said disorders, nor does it prescribe treatment. Talking about psychological disorders without even knowing what the DSM-IV is is hilarious, it's so widely used.

Anyway, it excludes bereavement because depression-like symptoms (loss of pleasure in daily activities, low self-esteem, etc) are considered normal responses to such a terrible even as the loss of a loved one. It is to be expected that people would be very upset over something like that, and, generally speaking, not considered an illness.

I didn't make myself clear. I'm not dismissing what the actual book says, simply disputing your apparent claim that the book has a checklist of what constitutes as a valid reason for triggering a depression. I very much doubt it goes like "losing one pet: mild sadness, losing two pets: strong sadness, losing four to five pets: depression available." In a way you could say depression is an extremely disproportional reaction to something. Sure, there are cases where it's considered "spontaneous" but I do wonder if those are in fact completely out of the blue for no reason whatsoever or simply seen like that because of such a tiny and trivial trigger that the link between cause and effect just isn't made. As you said, depression isn't a rational reaction, and as such it's not limited by what you consider "valid" for causing it. People handle your "bereavement" in different ways, just like they get affected by different things. What will make some people cry will get just a shrug from others. When you put that together with the disproportionate reaction aspect I see on depression, you just can't dismiss losing a job or a break up as possible triggers, because the trigger doesn't has to make sense to you. I mean, even for the depressive person it often doesn't makes sense after the episode is over.

But back to the initial thing, I do consider being a clinically depressive person and being drunk different things. As I said, I see the first as "pure," because it's simply the person's brain working the way it is. I don't see it as "defective," just as working in a non-standard way, but still pure regarding what it is. You're born like that, while you aren't born a drunk (I'm not going to get into cases of mothers who take drugs and the child is born already addicted). If you go picking and choosing what aspect to analyze and compare between depression and drunkenness you might as well say both are the same because on both you are liable to do stupid stuff, but the point of view I used is that on one your brain is under the influence of external substances that cause that state, while on the other your brain is just being itself, working with it's peculiar chemistry.

Obnoxious,

I have been reading your posts for the past 6 pages. Arguments with multiple people on the forum. Clearly, these arguments are all fallacies that you are trying to contradict, but I see little use.

As a moderator, you should be moderating the forums, in particular, following the forum guidelines and protecting those who do not rather than arguing with multiple people, in essence, that reach no conclusion.

Conversely your role being to answer questions, it is not to argue on the forums about a topic irrelevant. A simple answer like Sapphire and Euphemism would of been appropriate, to then immediately remove themselves from the conversation. Instead, you continue to argue your point that will reach no outcome, as the previous discussion illustrated.

As it clearly states in the forum rules on the Off-Topic, point four states: do not flame, accuse, or start drama. Through my judgement, the multiple pages that has incurred in this thread has resulted as an argument, or "drama", if you would. More specifically, an emotional circumstance that players clearly are reciting their past, beyond the scope of the rules.

Hopefully that puts perspective. This discussion is not appropriate for the forums.

Baleroc,

As I told the guy from the narcissism thread, who wanted me to "do my job" and "apply the rules" on the people "breaking them" on this thread, feel free to apply your perspective to your own Forums. If you believe I'm not doing my job, go ahead and make a report to my superior, Arlequina, but don't fall under the illusion that it's your prerogative to tell me how to do it.

[Swarog]

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Whats a Patriot?Emissary?

[Radvo]

Apparently everyone and their cousin is an Emissary and a Patriot...

I believe Edifice said it was for something that will be implemented in the future ?

[Orphic]

Everyone knows madderators exist only to wield the mighty banhammer.

[unbanned]

Everyone knows madderators exist only to wield the mighty banhammer.

Apparently they're not even permitted to take part in an argument these days.

[Radvo]

Oh **** wait we're getting a wod beta realm ? How did I not see this sooner

F* yeah, can't wait for that. Who else is comming and what side ?

[Orphic]

Apparently they're not even permitted to take part in an argument these days.

I thought Obbie was a mod-bot designed to stir up the population and root out the rebel leaders.

[Kelzio]

Awww, I want a chicken to hug too. :(

[Swarog]

I hugged my kfc.That counts ?