Point reset, squish and rework starting September 1, 2015

[MagePaki]

I have got almost 700 points. So Warmane / Molten / AT staff plz plz plz give mop players something to spend our points into. I really don't want to buy some junk from market place.

[Danius555]

Well you have to pay to win free vote points should only be used for cosmetic "junk".

[darko007]

To make something clear, I agree for what you have said for donators, they pretty much run the servers. But let's be honest maintaining server is not a big sum money, nor developing or anything else. But that's not a point ATM. Non donors should be able to obtain all items as donors can. For example, Celestial and SM.
It wouldn't really ruin the economy, I am honestly to lazy to do quests for SM, I would still rather donate for it if I had money of course :) But now we will soon have Lordareon so I hope there won't be such problems :)

[YelowFlash]

So are there any confirmation when MoP vote shop going to be upgraded??

[sethanew]

I'm sorry to be so rude, but this has to be the most selfish thing I have ever read. Instead of being grateful that people are donating so that you can play for free, you don't want people to donate?

Last I checked, servers cost money to run. Who's paying for these servers if not the donators? I assure you, contrary to what you think, money does not grow on trees.

More donations = more funding = (possibly) more developers.

As such, you should be advocating people to donate, not crying about how there's some unfair advantage (which fyi, doesn't exist, all the gear donors can get is obtainable in game for free as well).

You never got to play on private servers of old, where donators got donator only items and could solo 10-20 players alone...

Don't get ahead of yourself trying to do too much. The man has a valid point. Just to make things clear, I am a donator on multiple accounts. Now,

Firstly, the non-donators only have to be as much grateful to the donators as the donators are to the non-donators. If you were under the impression that the donators are keeping the server alive then my friend you are absolutely incorrect. The non-donators form the overwhelming majority of the server. Pray tell me what the donators would be doing in the realms without these non-donators? It is these non-donators that keep the server alive. (A brief read of the freemium business model will be enough to understand). Ask yourself when and why did the said private servers of old die.

Secondly, the man clearly mentioned that his concern was for the people who COULD not donate, which is very valid. I never use my coins on gear. I spend them on cosmetic items so as not to ruin the satisfaction of earning my own gear. Due to that I know what it feels like facing donation geared people. For example at the relaunch you had your whole team geared with dreadful and a single donation geared enemy would keep mowing your whole team down BG after BG. Made gearing hell for 99% of the server population and took the fun right out of it. There are ways around creating such imbalances and still keeping the donation system active and I hope the warmane community has this in mind. This is also partly the reason why you have people asking for 500 ilvl players for doing raids that drop 496 ilvl gear.

ps: This sentence, "Instead of being grateful that people are donating so that you can play for free, you don't want people to donate?" is completely unwarranted. The man clearly mentioned that he is a donator, so show some of that proposed gratefulness towards him.

[sethanew]

Don't get ahead of yourself trying to do too much. The man has a valid point. Just to make things clear, I am a donator on multiple accounts. Now,

Firstly, the non-donators only have to be as much grateful to the donators as the donators are to the non-donators. If you were under the impression that the donators are keeping the server alive then my friend you are absolutely incorrect. The non-donators form the overwhelming majority of the server. Pray tell me what the donators would be doing in the realms without these non-donators? It is these non-donators that keep the server alive. (A brief read of the freemium business model will be enough to understand). Ask yourself when and why did the said private servers of old die.

Secondly, the man clearly mentioned that his concern was for the people who COULD not donate, which is very valid. I never use my coins on gear. I spend them on cosmetic items so as not to ruin the satisfaction of earning my own gear. Due to that I know what it feels like facing donation geared people. For example at the relaunch you had your whole team geared with dreadful and a single donation geared enemy would keep mowing your whole team down BG after BG. Made gearing hell for 99% of the server population and took the fun right out of it. There are ways around creating such imbalances and still keeping the donation system active and I hope the warmane community has this in mind. This is also partly the reason why you have people asking for 500 ilvl players for doing raids that drop 496 ilvl gear.

ps: This sentence, "Instead of being grateful that people are donating so that you can play for free, you don't want people to donate?" is completely unwarranted. The man clearly mentioned that he is a donator, so show some of that proposed gratefulness towards him.

Ooooh oooh, I almost forgot to mention shadowmourne, you know the weapon which makes your game and breaks everyone else's? The one which was only obtainable by donators? Making pretty much every non-donator warrior, DK and pally impotent....

*** Mods, we really need an edit button here.

[Obnoxious]

To make something clear, I agree for what you have said for donators, they pretty much run the servers. But let's be honest maintaining server is not a big sum money, nor developing or anything else. But that's not a point ATM. Non donors should be able to obtain all items as donors can. For example, Celestial and SM.
It wouldn't really ruin the economy, I am honestly to lazy to do quests for SM, I would still rather donate for it if I had money of course :) But now we will soon have Lordareon so I hope there won't be such problems :)

How much does it costs to maintain and develop and "anything else," then? I'm assuming you have a source, numbers and basis to make the claim it's not a "big sum money" and aren't just taking it out of yourself.

And no, non-donors shouldn't be able to obtain all items donors can. If it was like that, very few people would donate. Altruism isn't on a high when people are playing for free, that's just a fact.

[Kron]

How much does it costs to maintain and develop and "anything else," then? I'm assuming you have a source, numbers and basis to make the claim it's not a "big sum money" and aren't just taking it out of yourself.

And no, non-donors shouldn't be able to obtain all items donors can. If it was like that, very few people would donate. Altruism isn't on a high when people are playing for free, that's just a fact.

"non-donors shouldn't be able to obtain all items donors can." As long as this doesn't interfere with PVP balance, I agree.

I'm taking advantage to re-post some of my previous questions just in case I'm being replied.

Why resetting the voting points when you can simply convert the existing ones to the new voting system? ROUND(Current Points/10, 0).

That's the main and eternal question that hasn't been officially answered yet.

I'm still wondering about 'Activity Rank' details. What will it depend on?

Greetings.

[YelowFlash]

Can some staff answer my questions?? is MoP vote shop going to be upgraded like Cata and WOLTK vote shop or it gonna stay like that until you reset the vote point??

How much does it costs to maintain and develop and "anything else," then? I'm assuming you have a source, numbers and basis to make the claim it's not a "big sum money" and aren't just taking it out of yourself.

And no, non-donors shouldn't be able to obtain all items donors can. If it was like that, very few people would donate. Altruism isn't on a high when people are playing for free, that's just a fact.

Oh warmane is going to be pay to win now??

[gamemanlive]

"Starting September 1, 2015 point system will be revised and all old points reset" - Kaer Wolf

Why companion vp has been increased? Why some items got removed? U guys said it will be revised from Sep 1. And u r doing it now? Why? Cuz u wanted it right? Its ur server.

Why this thread is even open? U guys said what u want. Why r u listening to us when u dont give a fu*k what we want?

U can even fill vote shop with junk items and ban users who protest. After all its ur server.

[Obnoxious]

Why resetting the voting points when you can simply convert the existing ones to the new voting system? ROUND(Current Points/10, 0).

I'm still wondering about 'Activity Rank' details. What will it depend on?

- Well, rounding down doesn't has the same effect as resetting, does it? On one everyone would stay exactly as they are, on the other everyone starts from zero. Those two aren't comparable for that question to be valid, since it intends to say they would have the same result.

- Moderators really don't have that information. It might just be Edifice who could answer that, and since his focus is on getting the Armory finished, the whole details might no even be set in stone yet.

Can some staff answer my questions?? is MoP vote shop going to be upgraded like Cata and WOLTK vote shop or it gonna stay like that until you reset the vote point??

Oh warmane is going to be pay to win now??

It has already been answered, more than once.
And if not being able to get everything the lazy way, with just a daily click, and instead having to work for it inside the game OR donate if you don't want to grind for it, so donor have a reason to donate when most people won't, makes it "pay to win" in your eyes, feel free to look at it like that.

[alirezaozzcoc76]

what time point will reset ?

[Kron]

- Well, rounding down doesn't has the same effect as resetting, does it? On one everyone would stay exactly as they are, on the other everyone starts from zero. Those two aren't comparable for that question to be valid, since it intends to say they would have the same result.

Ofc they're different things. The question itself was about why you chose the reset over conversion.

Here I explained myself more in extensive:

In part, I agree with Johnsmith. If you want to change the system (which is ok) and you want it to be "fair" with old players (playing here through years), then what's the problem to let them keep the earned points (or a percentage of it) but transformed to the new system? After all, once the new system is available it will comes with new Rank system which means that old players who can't play frequently (for whatever reason) are not in an "imbalance" against new players, and are "rewarded" for the "loyalty" to the server. After all, those earned previous points won't last forever since players who can't play frequently, with the new system will have more "troubles" in obtaining new points after spending some of them.

The only good reason I see to reset all points is if the Staff changed several items in the store all at once (or in a very little time). If it's not the case, I don't see a clear reason to reset (according the previous exposure).

P.S. Personally, I don't care the reset, so I'm not talking in self benefit. I'm only talking "philosophically" about "fairness" in this matter.

Greetings!

You avoided the real question (as well as Staff in general has done so far).

[Obnoxious]

You avoided the real question (as well as Staff in general has done so far).

No, I didn't avoid anything - you're just refusing to accept having everyone start fresh in a new system as a reason, that's all.
You personally disliking or disagreeing with it doesn't makes it any less of a reason.

[konostar]

No, I didn't avoid anything - you're just refusing to accept having everyone start fresh in a new system as a reason, that's all.
You personally disliking or disagreeing with it doesn't makes it any less of a reason.

And why do you want to start fresh? What damage does converting to old and loyal players? That's the part I still don't get.

Thanks for replying, btw.