how to gear up

[AntyeePencow]

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=99798;90429&l=90

19 haste for 3 mastery and 17 crit (scaling them up or down doesn't change their relative composition)
The PvP item is better for every single class that prefers both haste and mastery over crit.(which is like half of the caster specs)
The rest of the necklaces are even worse.

Yes, they should go and do BGs. There's nothing wrong in that.
I personally don't give a flying **** about you losing when not with fully geared people in a BG.
If anything, you should be grateful you are facing new challenges.
Feel free to show me any kind of evidence from Blizzard's side that says that PvE players should only play PvE and PvP players should only play PvP.
"Intended" my arse. Resilience was put in prevent PvE players from facerolling PvP players (in vanilla), not to prevent them from playing PvP.

You completely misunderstand my point.
If you claim things (me being alliance) without spending any time to back it up, or just to check; how can anyone take any of your points seriously? Throwing numbers around (which weren't even accurate to begin with) while also admitting that there are way more things to consider than you do in your post makes your argument extremely weak.
Especially since everyone seems to disagree.

EDIT: 1 more point to add.
The biggest advantage PvP items have is that you can choose what item you want to get.
Here's an example: I have been hunting for the leather spirit boots from Durumu for quite a few months now with my monk.
It never drops.
What's the second best item you can get?
The PvP boots, since there are no boots from VP and ToT only drops that one.

[LordSerphroth]

pff..

Bad and ignorant attitude of PVE folks towards PVP, mislead gearing folk, fked up pvp balance and then insults on forum for defending whats left of horde pvp.

So much to fix, damn. No comments from my side, you continue misleading people by comparing your neck items. Ill continue fixing the mess you guys make.

kbye.

EDIT : to your EDIT : No you dont, we have items that dont offer a choice in stats as well. Get your second best items form PVP sure, but my problem is not that. My problem is that you are directing PVE folks with no intention of doing PVP, to gear up using BGs.. You wont understand this since you are pve.

[AntyeePencow]

So, you really ran out of points to make.
Great.

You asked me to show where a PvP item is better than a PvE one, I did.
Now you call it misleading.
Just how ******ed can you be?
Everyone who disagrees with you is lying, or what?

Whatever is left of Horde PvP(lol), it isn't the guild you are in.
You have exactly 0 people in the top 100 of any arena bracket.
How can you HONESTLY think you are "fixing" anything?

EDIT:
You are just a sore loser who can't play for ****, and want to blame PvE players for his inability to win BGs.
Your comments make this more than clear.
I am done with your scapegoats.

[LordSerphroth]

Whatever is left of Horde PvP(lol), it isn't the guild you are in.
You have exactly 0 people in the top 100 of any arena bracket.
How can you HONESTLY think you are "fixing" anything?

/facepalm

Because arenas are not faction dependent. All top rated players have already shifted to ally in the last 1 month, but you wouldn't know about it since you are busy killing ur little Durumus

And you compare a pve neck with crit to a pvp neck with mastery. I can also compare pvp gloves what give haste vs pve gloves that give mastery and say that PVE gloves are better, because i love mastery...

You are just a sore loser who can't play for ****, and want to blame PvE players for his inability to win BGs.
Your comments make this more than clear.
I am done with your scapegoats.

So salty. I thought PVP'ers are warm blooded mammals.

Also, how am I a sore looser when i conduct Premades to gear up low geared folks all day long? And i cant play for ****? How can you say that? You dont even PVP enough to know how to counter a rogue let alone call another player bad.

[AntyeePencow]

You must be new to the game if you think that 496 ilvl PVE is equalent to 496 ilvl in PVP. Google gear scaling and read. Its not a myth, its a fact..

I proved you wrong, now you are just strawmanning...

I fail to see how others changing faction makes you unable to achieve high rankings.

Also, how am I a sore looser when i conduct Premades to gear up low geared folks all day long? And i cant play for ****? How can you say that? You dont even PVP enough to know how to counter a rogue let alone call another player bad.

Winning BGs with a full 522 toon?
That's some next level skill right there!

You can't even spell "loser" correctly even though I spelt it properly in the post just above yours.

In any case, i said what i had to in the first post i made. I wont be commenting on this thread anymore...

3 posts later...

[LordSerphroth]

I proved you wrong, now you are just strawmanning...

I fail to see how others changing faction makes you unable to achieve high rankings.


Winning BGs with a full 522 toon?
That's some next level skill right there!

You can't even spell "loser" correctly even though I spelt it properly in the post just above yours.

Why the hell are you so mad? I dont even need bgs still i conduct them so that people who are serious about PVP can gear up. Is it too hard to understand that or should i use some other language?

About reaching high ranks. You pointed out my guild doesn't have top rated people. Ofc it doesnt since out of 50 rated people there are only 8 fkin horde people and half of them have already shifted to ally. Stop mixing up your own arguments kiddo. The statement i defended was against you saying there are no high rated people in my guild. Who the **** even cares. Arenas are not faction dependent. If everyone on the server was suddenly shifted to alliance, the ranking charts will still look the same .. so why the fk are you insulting my guild. Continue with your dungeons please. Stop wasting my time.

And as for your comparison. Learn to compare items that actually can be compared from next time.
http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items...0.2;91136&l=90
No stats are lost here. These are equivalent. Its just about stat preferences, some items you will get haste, some crit. That's what reforge is for. You can choose to take a PVP item instead of PVE sure, but it doesnt mean they are not equivalent.

[AntyeePencow]

I won't respond to your strawmen and terrible excuses for your lack of PvP achievements.

I proved you wrong, now you are trying to change your point.
Not having any of your bull****.

End of the line is:
PvP is the fastest way to get yourself geared from 0.

[LordSerphroth]

I won't respond to your strawmen and terrible excuses for your lack of PvP achievements.

I proved you wrong, now you are trying to change your point.
Not having any of your bull****.

End of the line is:
PvP is the fastest way to get yourself geared from 0.

All you have done in your posts since my first one is insult, nothing else. Only attempts to insult my stats, my language, my guild etc. All i have done is argued against your comments and logic. Clearly, you are desperate to "win" lol.

None of my comments were excuses. If you didnt understand, all my comments were asking you to stick to the topic and not start talking about personal PVP experience, which you dont have atall. But clearly, you didnt. You didnt even bother to open item comparison that i gave lol, rather you have said "i win" on your last 3 posts XD. I am trying so hard not to judge you but you dont really give me any space XD

[cujo]

most of these top rank arena do wintrade, if you have the time to look them up, you will see what they are up too.