Generic Rant after the Gifts distribution, now with extra Nonsense

[Zelda1220]

By generosity, we refer to the gifts that were given that we didn't have to give. In fact, a number of staff members didn't want gifts to be given out, because we knew that no matter how we handled it, there would always be some sort of rage about. "I didn't get enough!" "This guy got more than I did!" etc. Kaer decided he wanted gifts to be given out to the community, no matter how small.

What would you have us say in response to people raging at us like they deserve something for playing on a free server that the people here work hard on to provide for them? "I'm sorry we should've given you more." ? That doesn't compute, and I am not going to apologize, nor should any of the staff have to, because we gave people stuff.

You expected more? Do you rage at your parents because they buy you a windows phone instead of an iphone? (Because it's cheaper?) Do you realize just how people come across to us when they rage like this? To put it bluntly, like selfish entitled children who have yet to understand what it means to work hard for what you have.

I expect people to take that as a sort of insult. But think about it. If you feel insulted by that, reflect upon yourself and realize that you are putting yourself in that position.

I fail to understand what the content of the servers we host has anything to do with the gifts we gave out. People wanted gifts. We didn't want to give them. Our administration decided they would give them, and so they did. Blizzard does not give out gear or items or any sort of virtual currency that would normally only cost real money out to their players. So why should we? But we did anyway. The thanks we get for it is people *****ing that it's not enough. Seriously? Again, if you expect us to react like we owe these people something, or that we should apologize and give them more as appreciation for their *****ing, then I don't think you understand how other human beings work.

Regardless of any gifts, we will continue to work on the server as we always have and intend to do; development will go forward. No matter what any hater or basher will say.

I won't even argue with you any further, because I am afraid of being banned. But I am just making few things clear.

1.) You are the one who is insulting me by basically saying that I am kid who doesn't understand how human beings work and screams at my parents for not getting gifts at Christmas. Thank you. Maybe haters hate, because the one being hated should actually be hated. Open your eyes wider and maybe even consider my suggestion that I have logically tried to put together which you have totally OBLITERATED.
2.) We are not kids and you are not our parents. I don't know why you are keep referring to us as kids not getting gifts. We are your guests and you are the host in this server. Why don't you act like one, maam, or mister, because I have put this thread together in a very polite words, although I am very disappointed, and I STRONGLY believe that I do not deserve your basically sh1t talks on me.
3.) Coins that you give out = Gears = content of the servers. Content of the in-game servers doesn't work (Shadowmourne quest line, for instance). Only way to obtain this is by coins. Less coins were gifted. We have to donate more to get Shadowmourne. Hope you understood now.

[kme123]

yet it seems several people within your team felt reluctant to give gifts, how can you feel that way? it's like going to twitch, finding a chat with 1000 viewers, see one guy talking **** in the chat and go "holy **** all the people in here are toxic as ****, **** this" of course there is always going to be that guy who talks out of his *** and wants more then he deserves, but thats always going to be the case. If you really feel like you helped warmane tonight, that you somehow defended and nurtured the community, then well, I don't agree at all. and why are you so defensive? it's like you're taking it personally, your attitude is very unprofessional, noone is out to hurt you or put you on the cross, but atleast admit that the gifts this year, compared to other years, were pitiful.

[ShanyBaby]

It's really embarrassing how spoiled and entitled so much of the community is.

Shut the **** up kid. It's their server. You don't have to be here. They don't have to give you free goodies or hold your hand.

[nabbler]

the mini zep had a huge purpose. i figured it out on 3rd alt.

the gifts were no big deal, at least i got something

[Obnoxious]

it's like going to twitch, finding a chat with 1000 viewers, see one guy talking **** in the chat and go "holy **** all the people in here are toxic as ****, **** this" of course there is always going to be that guy who talks out of his *** and wants more then he deserves

And then, when we give humbler gifts, you become "that guy." What does that tells us? That you're not "that guy" only when you're being "appeased" with gifts?

[Mercy]

Certain members of the community acting out of accordance isn't grounds for launching fallacious, straw man attacks designed to provoke all members in the community with a certain point of view.

I believe it's possible to have a rational discussion about this schism within the community without senseless ad-hominem. Ie, 'You have a differing perspective, which makes you x and y.'

I don't mean to offend at all, I'm merely interested: Is the complete causation for the shift in treatment of these gifts based off of:

Or are there other reasons?

There are plenty reasons. Look around you. I don't consider it fallacious or insulting that we feel bothered and go on the defensive because of all of these oustanding and insulting complaints. But I don't consider you trying to give them any merit while expecting that from us. So here's to your "fallaciousness".

I won't even argue with you any further, because I am afraid of being banned. But I am just making few things clear.

You would have nothing to worry about if you follow the forum rules. People seem to forget that they exist.
http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?301141

1.) You are the one who is insulting me by basically saying that I am kid who doesn't understand how human beings work and screams at my parents for not getting gifts at Christmas. Thank you. Maybe haters hate, because the one being hated should actually be hated. Open your eyes wider and maybe even consider my suggestion that I have logically tried to put together which you have totally OBLITERATED.

Yes, I would've expected no less. Any time any staff member steps slightly out of line and gives any hint of being affected by emotion, they are automatically accused of insulting community members and being unprofessional. Whether this be caused by irrational hate for staff members, fear or anxiety towards authority figures, or just a simple reading comprehension, it doesn't change that people often overreact and taking things in a way that they weren't meant.
I apologize if you felt insulted, but again, that is not how it was meant, which I thought I made fairly clear in my previous post. If you can't understand how people will judge you and your actions, then I wholly think that you do not have any right to cast judgments on them either.

2.) We are not kids and you are not our parents. I don't know why you are keep referring to us as kids not getting gifts. We are your guests and you are the host in this server. Why don't you act like one, maam, or mister, because I have put this thread together in a very polite words, although I am very disappointed, and I STRONGLY believe that I do not deserve your basically sh1t talks on me.

You're exactly right. Which tells me how you're willing to treat complete strangers who just gave you a gift that they really didn't have to. Which is quite a bit worse. You can put it as politely as you like, but that doesn't make it any less shameful. You say that you do not deserve my "**** talks" (which, really, that's not what it was), but then you fail to recognize how other people may think about how you choose to behave.

3.) Coins that you give out = Gears = content of the servers. Content of the in-game servers doesn't work (Shadowmourne quest line, for instance). Only way to obtain this is by coins. Less coins were gifted. We have to donate more to get Shadowmourne. Hope you understood now.

Currently, on Ragnaros and Deathwing, yes. This is not the case on Lordaeron, and we've made it very clear that we intend for the only way legendaries can be obtained on there is through the quest chains -- all of which will be ported eventually to the other Wrath realms. What would you have us do then? Give nothing? Upon that point, it is something in which we can agree.

yet it seems several people within your team felt reluctant to give gifts, how can you feel that way? it's like going to twitch, finding a chat with 1000 viewers, see one guy talking **** in the chat and go "holy **** all the people in here are toxic as ****, **** this" of course there is always going to be that guy who talks out of his *** and wants more then he deserves, but thats always going to be the case. If you really feel like you helped warmane tonight, that you somehow defended and nurtured the community, then well, I don't agree at all. and why are you so defensive? it's like you're taking it personally, your attitude is very unprofessional, noone is out to hurt you or put you on the cross, but atleast admit that the gifts this year, compared to other years, were pitiful.

It's not just 1 person out of 1000. There are only a few thousand that actively use this forum at the most, and there are more than just 3 or 4 people that are complaining. This is also unlike twitch where the chat just gets scrolled away and forgotten - this discussion will be here for a very long time. Nevertheless, it is very bothersome, and to say that shouldn't have any bearing on how we handle things is naive. Lastly, here you are, insulting me and my point of view on this issue (so unprofessional to have an opinion and not be willing to put up with people bashing on us, I know) and then claim that that I shouldn't take it personally. The logic here does not compute, sorry. I also won't admit anything about the gifts, because trying to use gifts of past years as a basis is the same logic people have used, every single year, as a reason as to why they should get more. You should admit that you shouldn't be posting these things at all, as it would've been much better if you had kept it all to yourself. Thank you for your contribution.



Those who have stayed silent and/or have appreciated the gifts we have given you, we really do appreciate you too. This is why the decision was ultimately made to give out these gifts, and we wish you a very (belated) happy holidays and happy new year.
To everyone else, the holiday gifts are about GIVING, not GETTING. Please remember that.