So just wanna know from 1 to 100% how much are the staff considering to close the cata server?just so i don t bother gearing here and wasting my time.It's really not. The Cataclysm realms having a low population compared to any of the other expansions hosted by us is nothing new. In fact, that is the way it has been since the initial launch of MoP. You complain about fixes, and we've explained why things have happened the way they did. We could've given more focus to Cataclysm instead. But then the Wrath realms would be left in the dark, even though they never really got the fixes the deserved, despite being our first and foundation expansion. There is more to this server than just one expansion, regardless of its popularity. I understand that you feel the need to apply blame, because that is what justifies your need to complain. I also understand why you complain. You complain for the same reason a lot of people do; because they want the content they play, and the server itself to improve. Essentially, it's an expression of players caring about the server, its quality and its well-being. But you have to understand, we have to make choices, and one way or another, someone is going to end up feeling like this. So the best thing we can do is to try and focus our efforts to get as much things out of the way at once as we possibly can. That is what we are doing. The fault or blame of whoever or whatever makes no difference or bearing on what we must do, and we must live with those choices and the blame that comes with them.
Try to look at it from our point of view. We are overwhelmed. We want to be able to cater better to all of the services we offer. We would be able to do that with 2 expansions. But not 3. Which is why we brought this topic up, for discussion and feedback. Kill an expansion for better development, or let one of them just wither in its current state until the distant future when we may be able to actually work on it?
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So just wanna know from 1 to 100% how much are the staff considering to close the cata server?just so i don t bother gearing here and wasting my time.
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But the thing is, Cata is actually pretty good for pvp. I suspect this is because you don't like seeing the Dodgykebabs of the world trash your Cata server in reviews. The leveling/pve experience on Cata may well be bad- I don't know because I don't play that. But pvp is in decent shape.
Maybe you could just put a disclaimer on the Cata server saying it's on the back burner right now so questing and pve may not be that great.
Market it as mainly a pvp server. Because believe it or not, the Cata class abilities work pretty well for pvp. Hunter pets randomly going passive is the only major complaint I have in that regard.
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Really mixed opinions amongst the staff, to be honest. Right now, we're not sure if this is how we'll handle it or not. Which is why we're trying to reach out to you guys to help us decide on this. Pro's, cons, merits of both, completely new ideas, etc.
That's really not a bad way to look at it, to be honest.
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Problem is i already see some of my friends leaving.Too much time invested,who cares about the coin,nobody will give you the feeling of having 1st epic in a rdf hc in cata,i myself coming from pre-expansion i found this so hardcore that i actually used youtube to learn my class.Tho i won t go any further then cata ,i hate big numbers.
Waiting too much time in a topic like "we merge to mop or not if u tell us not to" will actually have the pop drop low and the server will merge.
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I never wanted any expansion to suffer, Cata players wanted equal treatment and we never got it. I said in a thread months ago that if you couldn't treat Cata properly you should have never opened it after the moltdown and i was replied with promises of content to be ported and fixes to made made as soon as you could, well it seems that they never came and that is what i am upset about.
But i do agree with one thing you said, i dont think ANY expansion should sit around neglected like you have Cata for years, we have waited for things that have never come so no i do not support letting Cata wither and die. If you are so short sighted you cant see by actually fixing Cata you will bring in more than enough players and money to run your Lord realm then you should just merge it and be done with it.
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That's the thing, though. We cannot realistically give 3 expansions "equal treatment" in terms of development time. Our development team isn't large enough to handle that big of a load. The development pace would slow to a crawl across the board. That isn't acceptable to us. We tried in the past, and it's been proven to be unacceptable for the community as well. We have to be able to work efficiently, or nothing gets done. Nobody ever got "equal treatment". Wrath was in Cata's current development situation for over 2 years. MoP can't brag the same, mainly because it is our newest hosted expansion.
As we've stated, equal treatment just isn't possible. We've presented the choice we have to make. You can either make the choice with us, or bash us for it. Either way, the choice is going to be made in one way or another. We'll be damned if we do, and we'll be damned if we don't. So we may as well bite the bullet and proceed with what we feel is best for the server as a whole (Lordaeron focused development, for example).
Keep in mind, it is/was a proposition. Which means it's not set in stone, but merely an asking of opinions.
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This is half truth.... Sure when MoP launched we saw a dip in Cata Population and MoP was BOOMING. Look at it now. Cata peak time ~2000 players, MoP peak ~4000. That's far from what they were from the glory days of both of those realms/expansions.
Cata easily had 8-9000 players pre-MoP and Cata was getting updates, and when MoP launched and was getting updates every other week, there were easily 9-10000 players.
See the pattern??? The servers that gets the most attention will attract the most player base. Now that WotLK is the prime focus, most players switched to that expansion. I will go as far to say that if all devs started to work on Cata and ignore WotLK and MoP, Cata will become the most popular expansion.
The bottom line is, where you allocate your resources will largely affect where players will go, and it seems like what you are doing is really trying to drive out the Cata player base. That may not be your intention, but it is the reality.
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And as sad as it makes me i agree with you, i do not wish to play on a neglected expansion no matter how much i love it. The only people that possibly will be happy with letting Cata stay with no fixes or very few fixes are the pvp people since the game breaking bugs and missing content do not really apply to them, all they wanted was AT core.
I will be honest, i have no desire to play MOP if i did i would have used the moltdown opportunity to go there, but if there is no Cata server i will have no choice. I played Wrath for years and even though it was an amazing expansion i just like the changes that Cata brought and i cannot go back so the only choice i will have is to go forward.
Good luck with whichever way the decision goes, i have been with molten/warmane many years and i will find a way to make whatever the decision is work for me
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Nobody wants equal treatment..
The development status of the realms were in the past 6-8 months:
Lordaeron / wotlk pve servers 95%
Mop 5%
Cata 0.00%
Why cant you just focus on other realms but lordaeron, i dont get it.
Like couple days / month.. why is it so impossible?
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Well as i said above,no cata player want the server to merge,but we'll have to wait for the staff opinion .
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Funny, really funny Warmane. Leona/arlequina/mercy it is us, the players who have mixed feelings at this moment. Dumping cata is just Moltdown 2.0 for me, beccause on Molten I had fully BiS mage with 55 titles, you gave me coins back, ok... I geared my shammy to BiS and now it will be gone aswell. I tell you what, I am not gonna play on this server anymore if you dump cata. And those players from cata as well. You will not transfer those people from cata to mop. You will lose them. Some will stay, but 80% will not. Because what happened once, and what happens now, will sure happen even third time.
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So maybe you can use community SQL scripts for Cataclysm. Why not? Maybe community from Neltharion can help. Let us send you our SQL scripts,
and all what you need is to check them and apply.
Free help from community to community. I can help with SQL and I want, maybe more players can help
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No one said that you would loose ur toons if updated to mop ever happens... Call it a progressions like it happened on retail. Now people cleared whole cata content, now it is time for mop.. You will have ur cata toons at 85 on mop.
Dont say anything for others like you just did. Can't say for sure who and how many will stay. Might be that majority will move to mop if their chars/titles/mounts stays as it is now.
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my a$$. Call it a progression? I do not want any progression. I want to log in once a month and play for one hour on my BiS, I do not want to chase the best gear all my life. So what that people cleared whole cata content? So did wotlk players. Why don't update wotlk to cata then? you still so smart? It is like telling your wife "sorry honney, I already have 2 kids with you and I fcked you 500 times already, it is time for a new chick" ...
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Can we at least get ONE free 80 level character on WoTLK and some of our coins refounded ? Please don't force us to go on MoP, 90% of Cata players would reather go WoTLK than MoP. Please
