My Opinion on Cataclysm and 2016

[Sohu]

Kaer did explicitly say that the developer team is spread thin and cannot maintain all three expansions together, let alone maintain them, along with the growing concern for profit loss, and the dwindling population on the Cataclysm realm, (have you seen Cataclysm realms now? From 3000 players towards 900 players in less than a year). More importantly, you have to consider the realms in a more economical position, is Cataclysm still profitable? Out of the 2100 players (at peak time, 1500 midpeak, 900 lowest) that play this realm, how many actually donate on a realm that's underdeveloped and lowly maintained? Secondly, I have to, again, reiterate what Kaer said, their developing staff is spread thin in terms of development, would you rather see a broken expansion, with only possibly 5-6 month fixes (and a chance of another bug to happen) then waiting another 5-6 months? Third, is the growing concern of profit loss and upkeep on Cataclysm realms.. does that really need much explaining, rather than continuing development in hopes to attain an increase in population, it would be simply more profitable for Warmane to cut off Cataclysm, rather not take the risk and continue towards the most safest route.

You have to ask yourself why Cata is dying. Over the past year, there were three updates to Cata versus what seems like weekly update of Lordaeron . I can tell you this, if Lordaeron does not receive any updates for 6 month, it will end up just like Cata. Cata is dying because devs choose to let it die.

And you ask if Cata is still profitable, we will have to wait for a mod to answer that. But I think it's a shared belief for most of the Cata player base that although cata is only ~10% of the Warmane population, it's definitely contributing more than 10% of the total profit to Warmane. I just hope that the devs can figure out a way to have Lordaeron (WotLK expansion in general) and MoP pull their own weight. Why kill a cow that's feeding the whole Warmane family, keep on milking it... They should look at each realm/expansion (excluding Lordaeron) and get rid of the least profitable one first. If in fact Cata is the worst in terms of profitability, announce it then people will understand their reasoning for removing Cata.

Edit: Just another thought, so how does it make sense to move to MoP if we are short on dev? So Lordaeron development will cover 1-80 content, then the next logical thing is to work on 81-85 right? Skipping to MoP means you will need to work on 81-85 and 85-90 content if the the aim is to give everyone the complete experience. It would make more sense to close down MoP and get Lordaeron core to Cata first, and finish Cata then move to MoP

[BakuraLord]

Cmon guys, stop freakin whining! It's the best decision ever, Cataclysm deserved to be wiped of the realms, it is the most Unskilled HC PvE item dependent patch of all time. No skills at all is needed when you have HC items. Come to Pandaria patch, HC PvE items is useless in battle. Your skills will be tested here, not your items.

Once again, you're talking nonsense. Lets look at this point:
"Cata is a bad expansion for PvP because EVERYONE uses OP PvE items, and they are "dependent" of it."
1. Player A uses PvE items.
2. Player B also uses PvE items.
3. Player A fights Player B.

So basically, if they're both using PvE items, doesn't it make as balance as the other expansions where you are both full PvP geared?
Actually, I even think that's one of the best parts about Cataclysm's PvP. Thats makes us able to create our own gear for our diferent playstyles.

P.S: Wouldn't you like to play on Neltharion? Forums are getting boring >:C

[depredador93]

I have been playing on Neltharion for 6 months and I do support the upgrade to mop as long as mop is stable enough and playable. However I fear such thing will not be possible for a long time since I checked the state of Frostwolf realm a few weeks ago and there's a lot of work that needs to be done there still.

[Harai]

Cata was abandoned first by warmane staff, we dont have a changelog since may, it was their choice to focus on Lordaeron which unsurprisingly turned out to just be a leech server, it keeps sucking resources from the other servers to keep it alive (donations and development), its no surprise that Cata players have been slowly losing interest, its is not our fault, its theirs, but its truly unjust for us to be shut down when we had been abandoned, give us some development and we'll see the server getting more and more crowded, dont you remember when we had 3 full cataclysm servers? If we wanted to go MoP we would just go already, I was leveling some characters there, but I dont want my progress on Cataclysm to be lost since I like there too

Its like you had a dog and chose to not feed it, then you say "oh its dead already", you killed him because of your negligence

[ilyanah]

HAHAH! Alright, but I do see a dying realm. And the last thing that you would know, no one else is playing on Cata other than players who posted on this forum or those who spent a lot of money on a toon. I know, I have been in Cata and it was hell for non donors.

It's so fun to annoy you guys XD. There are lots of players excited about MoP. And you guys Exaggerate defensively!

They could make a lot of development if they take care of only 2 Expansions. A lot of players wanted a 90% scripted MoP realm. New BGs! New Arenas! New Map! New Class! And this realm is getting in the way, Cataclysm, has the lowest population.

No matter how you fight for this, they would have no choice, this realm's days are numbered. Don't worry, they would refund those coins, take those items away from you, and move your characters over. There is really nothing you guys should worry about.

[BakuraLord]

HAHAH! Alright, but I do see a dying realm. And the last thing that you would know, no one else is playing on Cata other than players who posted on this forum. Yea. Bai XD

Ilyanah strikes again with more of her Nonsense talk :D
People on the Neltharion's subforum doesn't even represent 1% of the server's population.

[ilyanah]

Ilyanah strikes again with more of her Nonsense talk :D
People on the Neltharion's subforum doesn't even represent 1% of the server's population.

I updated my post. My post is the truth, your just annoyed by the truth. I will see you soon in battle. Bai XD

[BakuraLord]

I updated my post. My post is the truth, your just annoyed by the truth. I will see you soon in battle. Bai XD

I'm sorry, but the world doesn't revolve around you. GM's said that if Cataclysm players didnt want to update to MoP we would keep this expansion.
Let's be honest here, Molten used to be much better before the MoP coming, now its look like they just can't handle anything because MoP its too damn bugged.
Now if you wanna blame something for that, maybe you should blame it on Lordaeorn because all warmane's attention is there, not in Cata... trust me xD

[-Nevermore-]

I updated my post. My post is the truth, your just annoyed by the truth. I will see you soon in battle. Bai XD

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[ilyanah]

https://youtu.be/psFQMKcsIF8?t=45

HAHAHA! Nice music!

This is for all you guys! https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY?t=51s

[Conmor]

Sure, they can move mop to cata. After they give me a full refund of the money I spend to support this server and play CATA pvp. **** playing a rogue on mop. **** is just pathetic. I'll support this move if they give a refund not in coins but in money.

Just my two cents.

[ilyanah]

Sure, they can move mop to cata. After they give me a full refund of the money I spend to support this server and play CATA pvp. **** playing a rogue on mop. **** is just pathetic. I'll support this move if they give a refund not in coins but in money.

Just my two cents.

HAHAHA!, Cuz I pwn rogues on MoP easy as pie! It just feels really good. XD.
Maybe they just forgot to put some positive bugs into it. XD

[Bucomvp]

HAHAHA!, Cuz I pwn rogues on MoP easy as pie! It just feels really good. XD.
Maybe they just forgot to put some positive bugs into it. XD

that's why you are in top 10 2s, well deserved. just kiddin

[housten]

I'll refrain responding as Bosnian above me... but MoP works worse than Cata and it's the newest expansion, without it cata would have double or triple the population effectively rebooting the realm... so that would be a better manhour and money saver, yes? an expansion barely working 30-40% and sucking up manhours like they're free... vs cata that's essentially done and just needs fine tuning and bugfixes

You would have to remember...

Warmane has hired several developers that specialized in MOP, if you remember correctly.
However, what you're saying are just conjectures (as is mine) and practically predictions, from which-- you can never tell.
As for money saving and man-hour, if you reference what Kaer has said previously, they cannot maintain all three servers at once and keep them up to par with their standards. What they are saying is that they can handle the workload of 2 servers, with development and maintenance-- come on, we've all experienced this so we should know what they're saying.

Cataclysm is one of the best expansions no matter what. @Ilyanah if its fun for you to kill some dummy bosses in MsV/ToES/ToT/HoF then just keep ur opinion for urself and sit tight in your crappy MoP.
Okay now another topic. Lets give an example: theres few private servers that has 1/2 scripters, raids are working there perfectly and being released each month, the only bad thing that these servers are in foreign language as bulgarian or such, that's why people are staying there. Now lets take warmane, has around 30 staff members etc, most of them know how to script, puts 10 scripters on 1 realm which is "Lordaeron", i don't get it why?? if you can send few of em on cataclysm and let them work there. The wages that scripters in other private servers with 2 scripters are like 100 times smaller, but they keep doing their job. So whats the problem for warmane scripters, huh? Btw after telling the restrospective that you almost won't focus on cataclysm around 8 more friends of mine just left ur server and moved to retail, keep doing this and you gonna lose few thousand people, which will cost you(WARMANE) a lot...

Simply your opinion.
What's ironic about your opinion is that you clearly don't know how to micromanage other realms and other servers, Warmane clearly wanted to put an attention to detail with Lordaeron. Do you even remember how overwhelmed green_dev became when he tried to fix as much bugs and exploits in the realm? But however, I do agree with you: the reason for the Cataclysm's downfall is because of the lack of fixes and maintenances it has.

You have to ask yourself why Cata is dying. Over the past year, there were three updates to Cata versus what seems like weekly update of Lordaeron . I can tell you this, if Lordaeron does not receive any updates for 6 month, it will end up just like Cata. Cata is dying because devs choose to let it die.

And you ask if Cata is still profitable, we will have to wait for a mod to answer that. But I think it's a shared belief for most of the Cata player base that although cata is only ~10% of the Warmane population, it's definitely contributing more than 10% of the total profit to Warmane. I just hope that the devs can figure out a way to have Lordaeron (WotLK expansion in general) and MoP pull their own weight. Why kill a cow that's feeding the whole Warmane family, keep on milking it... They should look at each realm/expansion (excluding Lordaeron) and get rid of the least profitable one first. If in fact Cata is the worst in terms of profitability, announce it then people will understand their reasoning for removing Cata.

Edit: Just another thought, so how does it make sense to move to MoP if we are short on dev? So Lordaeron development will cover 1-80 content, then the next logical thing is to work on 81-85 right? Skipping to MoP means you will need to work on 81-85 and 85-90 content if the the aim is to give everyone the complete experience. It would make more sense to close down MoP and get Lordaeron core to Cata first, and finish Cata then move to MoP

I like this opinion, very well thought out.
Cataclysm is still VERY profitable (most likely 2nd most profitable if corrected) based on the necessity of PVE items and PVP items needed in order to be on par with other players. However, it's not the fact that Cataclysm is not profitable, it's just based on deductive reasoning-- no new players in the starter areas, an ever growing depleting population just means the realm isn't received enough effort, then it becomes an issue with profits, profits can't increase if there isn't enough effort put on towards the server. My guess is that the realm isn't given much attention anymore because of the population, thus, why no donations occur on Cataclysm realms anymore.

[ilyanah]

that's why you are in top 10 2s, well deserved. just kiddin

No need for rating to show skillz, if you want. You could always duel me, just a tip, I'm Unholy.