Not a question of will they lose people with legion, but it's always how many will they lose. They easily lost over 5 Million subs in WoD and if this trend continues Blizzard will be forced to stop making WoW expansions and to me, that's not a bad thing at this point as it seems the game has clearly ran it's course and it's better days are behind it and no longer ahead of them.
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pvp is such a minor game aspect in wow, i dont mind if some pvpers go privates, becasuse privates cant really offer anything else.
is this is just another wow is dying retail sux thread? ive seen some before where 1 2 individuals that didnt even try the new expansion already **** it down making others hate it too.
i understand u dont like the upcoming changes but why do u speak in name of others like they gonna come here to pvp because u dont like what blizzard will do to pvp in legion exp?
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anything after cata killed it for me. panda's killed it, can't get past them adding a race that showed it's face once in warcraft 3. that and the asain theming is ugly imo.
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I really didn't wanna speak on a personal level, but in many ways i agree with you, although i did have some good times in MoP and at least the gameplay was still a lot like its been in the past. Yes we can say that Pandaren ruined WoW for many people, but MoP maintained a good 7.5 Mil subs, so even you can't call it a complete lose.
What WoD did was change the way Blizzard looked at designing content and many of these changes caused Blizzard to not be able to get the right content out and most importantly caused them to not finish what they were trying to do in the first place and that was make a very savage expansion, but with adding garrisons and cutting content and facebook games they just managed to piss more people off. It really makes me wonder why on earth they'd make all these changes when MoP still maintained a good 7 Mil subs? The things people were complaining about in MoP (gameplay wise) it seemed like they got ignored why Blizzard got a hot idea up their bums and insisted on continuiously working on garrison, but garrisons weren't even a good selling point to begin with. The best part of WoW was the open world...
and you know what's really messed up? lol
Blizzard had said no to player housing several times and even made an official statement saying NO right before Cata came out as they knew then that it would close people off from the open world and they wanted people to always feel there was an open world with lots of players around.
Nice to see how they went back on their word and against their own better judgment and everything they knew then that would happen, did happen, and it cost them a lot of money.
It's okay, they make most if not all of it back by selling mounts on the cashshop, another little thing that's been pissing people off and chasing them away.
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Tried cata in Retail because holy **** WOTLK was good and I wanted to se some more hardcore raiding and how it was in retail, but then noooo... LFR, and 10man guilds everywhere not to mention when you did get into a good guild it was welcome to the waiting game, for 3 month's I still stayed on for every raid without a single invite, and at that time I allready cleared the content, not to mention how much they destroyed the gameplay for almost every class but fine...
Went on to MoP with higher hopes, Panda class was really fun to level, the new zones and the graphics was so nice (imo) but then... stuck at rep factions for days, In general I thought MAYBE Blizz had fixed some of the stupid stuff they implented in cata but nah, still the same, wich led me to quit that too.
WoD, just no comment its a boring ****storm.
Legion? I donnu guys if its just me but I have kinda given up on expansions now, it feels like the less they had, the better it was, for some wierd reason, They focused more on the raids and the lore, hell even pvp feels better in WOTLK then any expansion, even though there's alot of qqing goin around about every class.
All of these mayor flaws made many players join warmane allready and more is comming by every day.
Checked some videos off youtube just for fun, the top 10 raids example, Naxxramas 25 as nr 5, Ulduar 25 as nr 3 and ICC 25 as nr 1 in many of them.
Even though TBC players will in most cases allways say TBC was better, WOTLK is favoured mostly from almost every WoW gamer.
What Warmane are doin right now is absolutely correct, focus on WOTLK content, pick it up where it was left and compleate it, we all saw how much hype lord got from that.Edited: February 2, 2016
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man , you are saying that the pvp in retail wow will suck , but how you tell that it will be bad witohut trying it ? retail wow is better than private servers ******* , you guys just see the bad of retail wow but you dont see the good in retail wow , we all have tryed the retail wow and the pvp is always balanced but people dont know how to play the class well , thats all , classes and pvp will always be good and if it will be bad , consequently blizzard will make alot of changes ,the first patch 7.00 is not the whole expansion , in other patches, blizzard will see poeple comments and try to make pvp
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wotlk is being glorified for years and yet noting will change there, for a 7 8 year old expansion u wanna see better scripts than warmane has to offer right now, in fact ive seen better ones in other wotlk pservers but thats not my point.
My point is this exp wont develop any futher and ppl are doing it over and over for years, farmin same raid over and over leads to boredom theres no development in skill or what so ever, sure makin custom difficulty raids to make it look more hardcore but thats nonsense. I even got a feeling some ppl are scared to overcome new challenges in new expansion as wotlk is their comfort zone because u can brag and swag how u killed lk 25hc on private server, but hey there was cata with bwd bot fl hc modes pre nerf, ppl already forgot those?
No, they most likely never tried them cuz wotlk exp best ever, i agree it was a good exp but so was other expansions, the fact u get bored of game at certain expansion is normal, sooner or later everyone does but to see the concept of game developing over years offering new challenges and game features is what makes wow so awesome, you cant just run for wotlk for 10 years , ppl want smtin new, but smtin new isnt always smtin better, and those who dont like it can stay on wotlk and glorify it till the ends of days, but remmember that wow didnt stop at wotlk expansion.
P.S pvpers prefer pservers for pvping for a reason, because altho they say retail is so not balanced its actually the private servers where pvp is unbalanced, every now and then one class is more op till it gets fixed and nerfed and other class become OP. its been like this is in all expansions on warmaneEdited: February 2, 2016
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lol is this guy mad or something? Like seriously, what's his deal? Anyways.... Mr. Salty1000
how do i know that retail pvp will be bad in legion without playing it?
Fair question i guess, but to answer you; you do know there are patchnotes on Wowhead.com and on many other websites right? I can read and comprehend what they're saying. I don't have to directly play the game to know it doesn't appeal to me. I can just watch some youtube videos and get the point of what they're trying to do and what they're trying to do is turn WoW pvp into a moba type of pvp and I hate LoL's!!
also on a side note: PvP talents are awful. I hate this stupid system, i thought long and hard on this one and it comes down to this one thing. The one big change that Cata did to the talent point system was awful, it got horrible reviews and many people complained about it on the forums. It's a lazy design and when something gets pushed through the doors to live, more then likely those changes to the talents stay where they are and that's a huge probably as Blizzard ends up having to deal with things where they are til the next expansion and just twink things as best they can from there.
So for some ******ed reason Holinka wanted to use this MoP style talent point system to be our pvp talent point system, even though its a very well known fact that players hate the mop talent point system, my only question to Holinka would be, "Why"? But i don't have to ask that, i know the answer, because it's easy and they don't have to do a lot of design behind it.
Well as I've played WoW for 9years now, I think it's pretty fair to know what I like and what I deem as good and it's not that i can't choose to see the good or that i'm choosing the see the bad, it's that I just don't see the good. I genuinely do not see any good in anything Blizzard is really doing these days, at least not enough good for me to wanna rush out and pre-order.
So wait... the pvp is always balanced? Are you F'ing seriously? Shaman's got benched almost all of WoD and Blizzard knew this!!!!!! Frost mages (as usual) were doing fine in arena in 6.0, but the other two specs were lacking, what did Blizzard do? Fire and Arcane got buffs right away! Disc got a huge shaft because of balancing issues in the past, so Blizzard because of pve reasons nerfed the hell out of disc and holy has never been viable in pvp, and even shadow has been subpar this whole expansion. Should I mention Glad Warriors? Blizzard introduce a very OP concept with warrior in 6.0 and then rushed to hot fix it in less then two weeks, kind of makes people wonder, why did they even bother wasting time with this?
I mean seriously, dude. The list goes on and on and I haven't even brought up Ashran and what kind of hell hole that dump is.
and I haven't even brought up how Blizzard Nerfed Horde racials in 6.0 and at the same time buffed alliance one's and then...AND THEN put faction changes up for sell the same freaking week! and to pour salt into an already open wound, Holinka (bless his *****ic little heart, he truly is a special kind of guy) worked his tail off to introduce Merc Mode that only worked for Alliance and didn't even consider that maybe buffing horde racials and only allowing facial changes to horde to help balance the factions back out?
But nope, EMFH gives alliance such a huge advantage that Human's are /we're 90% of the arena and rbg ladder.
At this point I just have no hope for you and don't think you have a clue whatsoever of what you're even talking about.
7.0 huh? Let's talk 6.1 and how all we got was a Selfie cam, Twitter Intergration, and more Garrison garbage and more knee jerk ashran fixes.
6.2? We got a Tanaan Jungle with stupid rep grinds that took only 2.5 weeks to get revered, get flying, and never really have to go back there again! A nerf to Garrison missions as Blizzard didn't realize the huge over site in the gold gain from Garrison Missions, More knee Jerk changes to ashran, and the ability to run old dungeons as if they were some kind of new content....oh and finally horde racial buffs.
Did i forget anything? All I can say to you sir is those are some really nice rose colored glasses, wish i could find me a pair, but i'm afraid i'd end up giving Blizzard more money and I'd rather not at this point in time.
Anyways, whatever man. Go play retail if you want, no one's stopping you, but don't come into a thread calling people Aholes because they don't like your game, that's just a bad attempt to cause a flame war and a great way to get your post deleted.
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Blizz is doing fine
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ur the one whos flipped out and makin drama lol
ur eating an apple and shouting out loud how sour it is but in the same time u love it.
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um what? Why are you talking about fruit? This thread is about a PC Game.
But seriously, since when is stating someone's opinion flipping out and causing drama?
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it was a comparision lool, u play the game that u hate, how about u justt dont play it ?
ur just another unlucky retail pvper who hates the game and comes to private server forums to tell how bad it is, and when someone disagrees with u , u make a huge text of walll and call them salty, You should know that there are ppl who disagree to ur statements. Have u tried private servers and pvping in them before, cuz they arent perfect either.Edited: February 3, 2016
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Could not really agree with you there se, I made a mage in cataclysm and went frost the whole way to lvl 85 but... then I tried arcane in pvp. 75k Arcane blasts wich 2 - 3 shots almost every class isnt really what I call balancing. And this wasen't something that got fixed quick even though everyone cried about it.
Look at some pvp videos on youtube for example, Holy paladin in WoD has a higher burst of dmg then many dps classes, not really what I call balancing either, and that is also a thing wich wasent even fixed.
Resto druids still dominates the arenas, along with Warriors and Rogue comps they wreck like 80% of the 3v3 teams.
If you look at "balancing" as smth like, Oh that class sucked last expansion?, lets make it the strongest now so they dont get super salty, then yes your right, because thats exactly what they are doin if you look up some recearch on the class fixed over the years, some got ****ed up big time while the once that sucked earlier expansion got boosted to heaven.
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Your information here is really, really, super extremely out-dated.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with recent patch, you really, really, super extremely don't get my point.
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