Cataclysm Unholy Death Knight PvP Guide 4.3.4

[Qulx]

So first of all SS is working since the time i stop playing (thats almost year ago). And 3/3 RoR SS does a lot more dmg than "buggy" BS ( to be clear its not BS itself thats bugged, but the dmg bonus from dots). Whetever u go full RoR or just play pure necro style depends on ur comb/enemy comb and personal preferences.... there are no bad/good ways to go

Second: The talents u post are pure ****...i cant belive u call urself a 2,5k+ dk and u got 2/2 in ebon plague bringer. That alone shows u got no understanding of ur class.
Unholy blight is also a "choiceable" talent, u dont need it, especially when ur playing pure necro style.
Same goes for "pale on the horse"
U can also run with just 1/2 in mind freeze and death advance.
I also havent seen a single word about "weapon switching"

The only + is ur profile picture.

Dont ever write a guide again, thx

info: bloodstrike getting too much bonus dmg was fixed long ago. 50k crits not longer possible in bg :D

the talents that were posted are totally fine. dk has always had a lot of ways to play and you can't really say one is better than the other because it depends on what you feel confortable to play with. i would not reconmmend to unspec unholy blight tho, it's really annoying to have your dot's cleansed off if you ask me. But that's preference again i guess.

To OP, i appreciate it when someone writes a guide, but don't write one if you aren't willing to put some effort into it. "Any" wont do. Reading the stuff you wrote the only thing someone new to the class can really read is the talents. Don't write a guide if you don't have the knowledge/time to do it.

i myself am 0/3 RoR and dont use ss. i don't feel like im lacking any dmg output, and since i play with ret most of the time there is not that much need for more dmg ouput also :D

[Kemii]

i myself am 0/3 RoR and dont use ss. i don't feel like im lacking any dmg output, and since i play with ret most of the time there is not that much need for more dmg ouput also :D

Yup, running 0/0 ROR and playing with a ret too, we don't need the damage output, just the absorb.


When I played with a Disc Priest I went 3/3 ROR and took points out of AMZ so I ran 1/3 in Magic Suppression, purly using it for the offensive RP gain while bursting. and 1/2 in Ebon. http://freecode.hu/wowtal/eng/?DK#00...-1,-1,-1,-1,-1

[whosyp]

1: there's nothing wrong with 2/2 ebon plague bringer depending on ur comp, but yes.. the 2nd point is optional.. i was in a rush when i made the guide, which is mentioned, as well as many things will need fixed/added in the future.

2: before u talk about understanding.. re-watch that video you posted. probably a lot of mistakes but i stopped watching when u manually changed targets to that feral just to CoI him.

3: Just cuz you're from AT.. doesn't mean you know anything, I don't see AT players r1 here, yet they talk how warmane players are bad lol. Your video is as bad as your attitude here, n that's saying something.

Don't ever pretend you're relevant again, thx

Theres so much constructive arguments in ur posts, lol.

1: 2/2 in ebon.... just no comment, coz 15% dots dmg is so important in cata y.....its not a wasted point....lol

2: It doesnt matter if i play on notebook and target manualy (and theres nothing wrong with manualy target lol) or at home with my naga where i got everything on macros. I have never seen any video from u, i havent see u even playing.
To the video: There are mistakes, but there is also gameplay u would never be able to achieve....hard true dude ( u cant even say which mistakes, writting ****s like " thats bad" just shows that u dont know what to write next)

3: Im from wotlk AT (4-5y back)...thats mean "everything", theres no need to explain it. Cata AT was alwas the same as molten (warmane now), same players, just without buggs. And if u didnt see any, srsly who would play on 300+ population server now?

[Qulx]

Theres so much constructive arguments in ur posts, lol.

1: 2/2 in ebon.... just no comment, coz 15% dots dmg is so important in cata y.....its not a wasted point....lol

2: It doesnt matter if i play on notebook and target manualy (and theres nothing wrong with manualy target lol) or at home with my naga where i got everything on macros. I have never seen any video from u, i havent see u even playing.
To the video: There are mistakes, but there is also gameplay u would never be able to achieve....hard true dude ( u cant even say which mistakes, writting ****s like " thats bad" just shows that u dont know what to write next)

3: Im from wotlk AT (4-5y back)...thats mean "everything", theres no need to explain it. Cata AT was alwas the same as molten (warmane now), same players, just without buggs. And if u didnt see any, srsly who would play on 300+ population server now?

well the talent may not be THAT usefull, but what do you want that ONE point on elsewhere? 1/3 RoR??
bladed armor? Not much difference imo. palehorse is meeeh, blade barrier also okay-ish talent. It makes almost no difference, thats the kicker :)

[Nasty]

@whosyp u realize the 15% disease damage, can also go into ror [affecting 3 abilities for 15% dmg].. so, in the course of a fight, what does more dmg overall, the diseases, or those 3 abilities combined [excluding scourge strike spamming lol]. or sudden doom [7.5% -1, 12%-2, 15%-3.. meaning inscreasingly less benefit per point] chance of proccing a free death coil per auto attack. those %'s might be a little off, i cba to google to make sure, but i think that's correct. but again, in the course of a fight, what does more dmg overall, the diseases [again.. combined], or death coil? sudden doom does have it's uses though, not denying it. but u spout nonsense without anything to back it up. and of the 3 talents, which one is less affected by uptime on target.. which is something a new dk would have issues with. yes, many talents are preferential, but u talk as if someone is bad just cuz they don't prefer your own talents.. sign of a nab. and u don't even know why u choose the talents that u do lol

and yes.. there is something wrong with targeting manually... :| and ofc i can't name all ur mistakes cuz skipping through ur video showed nothing worth watching the whole thing. as if i'm gunna waste my time counting everything, i'm not these other kids on forums.. i don't need to find every tiny little detail i can to use it against u, it's pointless. and i hardly doubt u have any gameplay that's anywhere near impressive. and no, wotlk AT was crap too. it was also molten players then too, with exact same skillcap as here, just more egoists there. reputation blinds the foolish. oh n yea, u haven't seen any video from me, cuz like most of the server.. i don't take any of this seriously, n i don't need to show off, or brag, or require others' opinions to feel better about myself. i play to have fun. i've helped 100's of players on warmane/other pvt servers, and more on retail over the years. and still, no one knows me here outside of a few friends n ppl on forums for obvious reasons.. some of us, just don't care for attention.. sue me

i'm not saying ur a bad player really. i'm sure ur probably above average, maybe good even. but not pro, not that i even care if ur pro or not. but ur being a dk about talents that are situational to optional. ur skill [good or bad], knowledge, whatever.. it's not why ur irrelevant. ur attitude is why. and i cba to deal with childish behavior.

@Qulx it's a rough draft. it'll be edited in the future. and other guides were also linked into the thread to help with completeness until i was able to finish it. i like to help ppl.. but doesn't mean i always have time.

n @everyone. how can u really say u dont "need" the dmg output when dk isn't r1 team? sure, it's possible that r5 or r10 or r3 or whatever, is the highest possible. but we don't know what we don't know. btw this part isn't me calling anyone wrong, more.. a discussion :)

[Kemii]

n @everyone. how can u really say u dont "need" the dmg output when dk isn't r1 team? sure, it's possible that r5 or r10 or r3 or whatever, is the highest possible. but we don't know what we don't know. btw this part isn't me calling anyone wrong, more.. a discussion :)

Proff you've never played anything above 1.5k.
There is more to arenas than who can put out the most damage, there is too much needed in utility, in actual gameplay to win over your enemy. Damage isnt everything.
Rogues can lockdown and entire team without doing any damage, same with Mages.
Ret Paladins can throw out healing and utility (I used to play a high rated support paladin).
Just two classes, everyone has their own thing apart from bull**** damage.

[-Nevermore-]

Proff you've never played anything above 1.5k.
There is more to arenas than who can put out the most damage, there is too much needed in utility, in actual gameplay to win over your enemy. Damage isnt everything.
Rogues can lockdown and entire team without doing any damage, same with Mages.
Ret Paladins can throw out healing and utility (I used to play a high rated support paladin).
Just two classes, everyone has their own thing apart from bull**** damage.

^ not the case on warmane. so theres no point in providing it as argument.

kthxbye

[Nasty]

Proff you've never played anything above 1.5k.
There is more to arenas than who can put out the most damage, there is too much needed in utility, in actual gameplay to win over your enemy. Damage isnt everything.
Rogues can lockdown and entire team without doing any damage, same with Mages.
Ret Paladins can throw out healing and utility (I used to play a high rated support paladin).
Just two classes, everyone has their own thing apart from bull**** damage.

Proof u have a lack of comprehension.
i know what all classes are capable of. i've played them all, for years. Where did I say dmg is most important? or w/e? seriously, where? the fact of the matter is.. if ur comp is not r1, either a: it can't [but it's only logical that the chance of anyone truly knowing that as fact is slim to none] or b: ur doing something wrong whether u can see it or not, which means something needs to be changed. i cba to explain, if u don't get it.. u don't get it.. it don't really matter anyhow, some of yall just like to argue or are too stubborn to see outside ur own bubbles

[whosyp]

Am I srsly arguing with mentally challenged people? I thought this is a 3rd grade math. Im not arguing about RoR, SD or any other talents, as i say they are totaly choiceable...pick what u prefer. What im talking about is "2/2" EBON. Are u srsly saying that making dots ticks around 100 dmg more is a "must" talent? wtf
As i say that alone shows u got no understanding of this class...

and yes.. there is something wrong with targeting manually... :| and ofc i can't name all ur mistakes cuz skipping through ur video showed nothing worth watching the whole thing. as if i'm gunna waste my time counting everything, i'm not these other kids on forums.. i don't need to find every tiny little detail i can to use it against u, it's pointless. and i hardly doubt u have any gameplay that's anywhere near impressive. and no, wotlk AT was crap too. it was also molten players then too, with exact same skillcap as here, just more egoists there. reputation blinds the foolish. oh n yea, u haven't seen any video from me, cuz like most of the server.. i don't take any of this seriously, n i don't need to show

What to say..u are at the end with words and got nothing else to say as "u are bad" , "im lazy to skip it,coz thats nonskill". No arguments, just whining.
And im also pretty sure wotlk AT was crap at that time u started playing coz it was dead since 2013. Hydra,Marm,Fnoberz,Flyn,Zedarr, Averium and lots of others...Thats whole molten, u are right.
And at the end a little explanation what "childish" mean. Its when u start behave like little kid, smashing things around you and calling nonsense, coz u dont know what to say. Thats pretty much a definiton of "you".