WotLK Lf ideas how to make Unh PvE Viable.

[taralej]

https://gyazo.com/4ddcd3eee34462da03fbfa3d93512637 Somewhat my spec when i was pve, at every boss dps was not lower than 15k, UH pve is quite duable, you just need to practice. Also remember to get EXP for unholy, else you will lose quite some dps that way. Remember that unholy pve dps is not even meant to top the score so if you do less damage than Frost dk on same gs as you then it's oke and keep going. As Lynea said it quite alot depends also on a fight, at Lord marrow you might find yourself not doing alot of damage for example, but on Lady you can pretty much be on top.

I can't see you doing 15k DPS as Unholy on the old realms unless you're BiS or near-BiS. And why tf do you have 1/3 Reaping, in case you could've spent it on Unholy Blight - a 10% increase on Death Coil for just one TP. Even more so when you have Dirge, which works towards higher Death Coil count.

This is pretty much the best Unholy build for end-game. Wandering Plague does as much DPS on single-target as Blood-Caked Blade (because BCB is just a crap talent) and does significant damage on multi-target. Unholy Blight I already explained - 10% increase on Death Coil for 1 talent point, pure no-brainer. Between Morbidity and Dirge, the first one nets more DPS - it increases your DC by further 10% and reduces your main AoE ability's cooldown, whereas Dirge only works towards higher RP for more DCs - something you're not focusing on at end-game because at that point Scourge Strike is your main damage and Death Coil is very far behind. 3/3 Reaping is also a no-brainer - it gives you an extra Scourge Strike in every other rune cycle.

[Justmarried]

About the pets when i used the Garg in like 5 sec Marrow decided its a good idea to put the flames right on top of it so gg Garg. About the 15 k dps im getting the feeling that yr pretty much bis.

Yeah i think i was like 3 items away from full BiS and as for flames, well place it after first flames go out. Better use gargoyle few seconds late rather than get it dead really fast.

[Justmarried]

I can't see you doing 15k DPS as Unholy on the old realms unless you're BiS or near-BiS. And why tf do you have 1/3 Reaping, in case you could've spent it on Unholy Blight - a 10% increase on Death Coil for just one TP. Even more so when you have Dirge, which works towards higher Death Coil count.

This is pretty much the best Unholy build for end-game. Wandering Plague does as much DPS on single-target as Blood-Caked Blade and does significant damage on multi-target. Unholy Blight I already explained - 10% increase on Death Coil for 1 talent point, pure no-brainer. Between Morbidity and Dirge, the first one nets more DPS - it increases your DC by further 10% and reduces your main AoE ability's cooldown, whereas Dirge only works towards higher RP for more DCs - something you're not focusing on at end-game because at that point Scourge Strike is your main damage. 3/3 Reaping is also a no-brainer - it gives you an extra Scourge Strike in every other rune cycle.

Oh that you can do, I mean put that 1 point on Unholy Blight and focus more on DC spam, plus I would say that Blood-Caked Blade is viable with SM mostly. This was simply what I was running if am correct because I left PVE some months ago, furthermore DK's are the most bugged class at the moment on Ragnaros/Deathwing and i can say that Scourge Strike is not working 100% correctly, same as Reaping is bugged so I would not suggest running 3/3. That is, for me it ruins rotation out.What about this? This would focus quite on DC damage and still having the damage that comes from Scourge strike.

[taralej]

No, Reaping is picked exactly because it allows you to put more Scourge Strikes and use Glyph of Disease instead of IT+PS. Basically, if you're not running Reaping and Glyph of Disease, your rotation will be:

IT+PS>BS>SS>BS>DC>SS>HoW>BS>BS>SS>DC - repeat

If you're running both, your rotation will be IT+PS>BS>SS>BS>DC>SS>HoW>BS>SS>Pest>DC, followed by SS>SS>DC>SS>BS>Pest>DC - repeat the second part until the boss dies. This way you end up landing overall more Scourge Strikes, which gives higher DPS at end gear than refreshing diseases with IT+PS.

You don't need Dirge because you just don't spam DC anymore that much, BCB is a crap talent and Endless Winter is a raw 4% Str boost, so you need that.

[Bensten]

Reaping isn't a DPS gain. It grants 1 SS every 2nd rune cycle at the cost of 3 talent points and 2 BS.

Endgame UH DKs always dropped Reaping for pure single target DPS purposes.

[Beanlord]

Even with the current issues with Scourge strike, 1 SS > 2 BS. That's why it's taken.

[Bensten]

That's out of question, but you also invest 3 talent points for this 1 SS.

[dike]

Reaping isn't a DPS gain. It grants 1 SS every 2nd rune cycle at the cost of 3 talent points and 2 BS.

Endgame UH DKs always dropped Reaping for pure single target DPS purposes.

end-game full bis uh dk always dropped dirge and uhb just to take 3/3 reaping, what planet do u live on?

[Beanlord]

You don't really drop UB, it's a 2/3 morbidity. Essentially it saves you 1 TP.

[dike]

You don't really drop UB, it's a 2/3 morbidity. Essentially it saves you 1 TP.

morbidity even shouldnt be there 0/0
http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jZG0...0Ixcbx0ux0uIqo this is the only build for FULL BIS UH dk (full bis going around 600-700 passive arp from gear)
with glyph of dark death/ghoul/icy touch(or pestilence)

[Beanlord]

I would most definitely sacrifice 1 TP from BCB/morbidity (the only two optional talents) into UB.

[dike]

I would most definitely sacrifice 1 TP from BCB/morbidity (the only two optional talents) into UB.

returning to our old discussions about useless UB in terms of pve, i would repeat - UB doesnt stack like ignite or deep wounds making affect of it on your dps close to zero. (BCB is another discussion, i've never tested it after wipe, still believe that ebon plaguebringer, a.k.a. 3rd disease, doesnt boost bcb dmg)

[Beanlord]

returning to our old discussions about useless UB in terms of pve, i would repeat - UB doesnt stack like ignite or deep wounds making affect of it on your dps close to zero. (BCB is another discussion, i've never tested it after wipe, still believe that ebon plaguebringer, a.k.a. 3rd disease, doesnt boost bcb dmg)

If you would please go and do a dummy test on our old discussion about the useful (fixed it for you) UB I would appreciate it, so you'd finally stop arguing about it.

1.Remove all gear
2.Filll up your RP, hit a target once, check the tick damage. Let it wear off.
3.Continuously do your rotation on a dummy (so you never run out of RP) and keep the DoT up.
4.Take a screenshot of both tests.
5.Come to forums and admit you're wrong.

P.S. As for your 2nd point idk if ebon plaguebringer does anything related to bcb.

[Lynea]

Well, I immediately see that you have 3/3 Morbidity instead of 1/1 Unholy Blight and 2/2 Endless Winter. Morbidity is an AoE talent and for single-target 1/1 Unholy Blight > 2/3 Morbidity or even 3/3, because UB can stack like Ignite and Deep Wounds. 2/2 Endless Winter is just the icing of the cake from the Frost subspec - you take it because as a % talent it scales into late-game.

Regarding the 3/3 BCB vs Master of Ghouls, if you can keep the ghoul alive most of the time, then you should prioritize Master of Ghouls over BCB. If the little ****er really dies in every fight from stupid AoE, then this means around 15% less DPS for the whole spec - yet another reason not to bother with Unholy at all.

It's not a single target spec. I don't play Unholy to max dps. I have my ret for that. I also have Frost gear if I wanted to min/max single target. I play Unholy because I enjoy the gameplay, and my most favorite thing to do is buff other players. The only place where my damage matters anyway, is on AoE and utility on LK. I love Morbidity because I love DND, and I love that I can pick up ghouls before the rdps can get threat on them, and tanks can just taunt off me. As much as I'd like more strength from Endless Winter, I consider Morbidity too important for how I play.

BCB was there for testing and the ghoul talents aren't that great unless I'm tanking, since the ghoul will usually live no longer than 30 seconds. You say not to bother with Unholy, but I'm sorry, Shadow Priests and Warlocks love me too much.

I posted my armory in hopes that you'd understand my approach here, instead of think I'm asking for help/advice. I appreciate the effort though.

[Beanlord]

@ lynea does corruption qualify as a disease?

Edit: I searched on Openwow but it doesn't seem to be a disease. I don't think unholy gives any bonus to warlocks other than increased spell damage which is present already.