For the Horde/Alliance punishment

[DonDeBass]

As we all know, when it comes to defend our faction cities most plyrs dont give a damn about it, only some PvP guilds does, but sometimes not even them.
So something came up my mind. I know this hardly can be implement or even if it can be GMs proly wont do it cause they dont do much to make server better, but anyway ill suggest this. Whenever some city boss is killed all players from that faction that r online get honor deduction by 25%. So if opposite faction kill all 4 city bosses ull lose all ur honor. Maybe even to add deduction of emblems too... Then we would have some epic fights, players would feel that they r part of some faction, that its not just a side in BG, that u need to prove that ur member of that faction... Also opposite faction would have motivation to raid enemy cities, so that directly means that wPvP would be improved. This could be done for every expansion.
As i said, its hardly can be done, proly will stay just another topic on this forum, but i think its great idea and that GMs should consider this proposition and see if they can do anything.
What do u guys think of this idea?

Idea is pretty interesting, maybe with a little tweaking it would be pretty good, but it would take alot of work for it to be implemented and it's not Blizzlike so it will never happen. ;)

[Natali]

You all speak about forcing players to pvp. Idk why did u get it that way. Nobody force anyone to participate in any city defense. I didnt said "Whoever is online and dont defend bosses should lose 25% honor or emblems".

You say that others can just rely on other players who will defend the city although in your first post you explain that ‘’most of the players don’t give a damn about it’’, so on whom exactly will the rely on? Further more , when you say all ‘’those who are online at that moment’’ , then this applies to absolutely all players regardless of their orientation (pvp/pve). You do know that the server does not have the ability to filter out something like that for you. That means that some random poor soul who is just farming Goldclover in Grizzly Hills, someone doing Sons of Hodir reputation to get shoulder enchant, someone working his *** off in battlegrounds to collect honor to get some Wrathful items,someone somewhere fishing or mining, or some random player farming his emblems in PoS/FoS to get some decent gear to enter heroics will lose 25% of their honor/emblems.
No one has the right to just take away from players something they are investing their time and effort to collect. And don’t get me wrong, I am pvp oriented but something about this suggestion is very wrong and that is, like MadisonIvy said, you simply cannot mess with the core of the game. You can not suggest things that do not exist because it requires programming from the beginning and intrusion into the very core code which brings us to custom made content and I think very few people here would vote for that.

[Orthodox92]

@Natali
Well if this idea would be implement most ppl would give a damn about city raids so you could rely on them. Now ppl dont give a damn because there is no reson why should they, nothing to lose, nothing to achieve. Only some pvp guilds care about it, sometimes... The point is, nobody force anyone to do something they dont want to do, its your decision to defend or not. And yes, even that poor souls should defend their king/warchief, why should they be excused? They r members of of the faction too.
Same with pve players. Lets say they just lose 25% honor, not emblems. If they r just pve players they dont need to worry then, cause even if they have some little amount of honor its useless to them (and dont say they need it for gems, there is non-pvp way to get it too). Those who do pvp too will care for city raids and will help in defense to secure honor they have.
About core and bla bla stuff, i already said this hardly can be implement, and even if it can GMs proly wont do it cause it more job for them and they dont do even what they should. Also i said to write your oppinion here about idea, so we can see if ppl agree on this or not. I just wrote my proposition that i think is good, not everyone need to feel it same way as i do.

[Jakkre]

Imo its the wrong time for this thread.
We are going to get the lordaeron core soon and wintergrasp battle will be available. In addition ragnaros and deathwing will most likely merge.
Many things gonna change and it will have a big influence on world pvp.
Come back with such suggestions after all these things happened.

[Natali]

@Orthodox92

Alright,

Let's imagine that the merge will never happen and that we are condemned to this situation as it is now. Let's imagine that by some miracle your suggestion gets implemented. Let’s say we all agree that it is a fantastic idea and it will bring a lot of good to this community. That’s what we all want at the end of the day – to compete in a lively environment, have fun and enjoy the game. We use a magic wand and we bring your idea to life ( does not have any significance it’s yours, it can be anyone else’s idea) Done. Who the hell is going to participate in this content? Have you taken a closer look at the people out of which our faction consists lately? Here, I will tell you – it consists out of poor souls we mentioned earlier, half-naked people (mainly stealthed afk rogues), male belfs in thights trying to equip a crossbow, and quite a few absolutely and utterly brilliant individuals. Find me one thing that connects them all together so we can put them in the same team to play for the same goal. Just one thing in common and we have solved the problem.

I will not even go into how those terribly smart and incredibly skilled individuals , most of the time, carry 90% of those lazy half-naked, toilet paper gear, Warsong Gulch picking flowers in the middle, Kingslayer Invincible riding 6k gs fashionistas , geared to the teeth but still backpedaling self proclaimed superstar people whom you are now labeling as members of ‘’pvp guilds who care’’. What pvp guilds are we talking about (horde side) ? I’d really like to see who these heroes are cause it really doesn’t ring my damn bell.

[Keyboardhero]

@Orthodox92

First of all why is so important to defend city/faction boss i don't get it.

Second you realise people are gonna be non stop inside boss room so they don't lose honor that means 500 people inside one room and that is stupid and pointless.

Third why would someone who is doing something somewhere like battleground or arena be punished for not defending faction boss.That means that once the city/boss is attacked everyone should QUIT what they doing so they can go to the city to "f a g" around inside the room with 500 more pricks.
So LK raiders should quit and leave raid and run to the boss room,Or some arena nerd who is playing should instantly quit match so he can join forces with lvl 60 mrtoiletgear pala so they defend boss.

Then we gona have some random dude who is killing lvl 50 boars he is gona have to quit that so he can run to the boss room all the way from Hinterlands on his crap mount and then start flying to orgrimar and once he comes he sees the fight is already over boss is dead and he lost his honor he gained hard from doing low lvl bgs cause of briliant idea from your master Yoda Ortodox92.

[Critically]

This is never gonna happen, it's going to turn all the community into PvP, and those who love doing PvE will suffer, and it is not Blizz-like, so it's obviously not gonna happen.

[Orthodox92]

@Keyboardhero

1. What do u mean why is it important to defend city/boss? Imagine irl if some terrorist group come every day and kill ur president/primeminister/king/pope/patriarch... Can u? Or if u think im taking this too serious imagine in WoW story that orcs killing Alliance leader every day or their warchief gets killed every day because leader isnt important as u say. Why r leaders then guarded so hard if they r not important? U all (or some of u) think its not important because thats the way this game is made.
I spent too much words on this.
2. Why should 500 ppl camp whole day at boss room? How u conclude that?
I dont think that side who attack would be so motivated to attack bosses whole day just becaus other side lose honor, i mean it is motivation but not some BIG one like it would be if they achieve something more than usual things (achievements+mount) when u kill bosses.
3. U have right in this part, i have to agree. I was thinking of same about low lvl chars, its realy hard to get any honor before 80 and they would be useless in defense.
About leaving raids/arenas/bgs/dungs etc... yes, you should leave all that and defend ur leader. But would you leave winning arena or downing LK/Halion or w/e cause some1 attacks ur boss? Guess most ppl wouldnt, so thats what im talking about, ur chosing would you defend or not, nobody force u. But others who acually dont do anything specific, maybe stupid BGs or farming mats would make group for defense cause they dont want to lose honor+wanna have some fun and save ur honor too.
Idk did i explain every question, but im really bored of typing :)

[BlackShroud]

It would be better if a 15-20 min debuff, similar to res sickness, is given if you fail to save the king, and it will force people within stormwind, the players, to suffer from this debuff.

So in a sense, it is fight or flight, either go defense the king to save stormwind and avoid debuff, or evac stormwind completely, you CANNOT be in stormwind if king falls or else you get debuff.

Something like that to encourage defending city leader, same goes for Horde side.

Your failure will result in the effect of many others lvl 1-90/1-85 if should you fail.

[Acidmath]

Most geared players that can actually defend the city do BG's / wPvP for fun, or "wow-fame" (yes, it's a term). They don't need honor, and they wont suffer if they can't buy Cardinal Ruby with 10k honor. So people will still not care.