Yeah I think they've fallen way below 5 million subs. Probably some where around 2.5 million and they can't let people know how bad they screwed up. I don't even know if they understand how they screwed up or what to fix.
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The point isn't about you liking retail or not. The point is, you CAN do the content there at the minimum level required however people feel they must do it at MAX LEVEL when in reality they don't have to. It's the same with garrisons, no one stated you HAD to use your garrison 24/7. People treat as if retail is "so bad" cause of WoD when it still has MOST of the content available from previous expansions (in terms of raids/dungeons). And let's not forget every time a new expansion comes out people say it's bad and that WoW is dying. Then they say the previous expansion was "good". People said this about BC, Wrath, Cata, MOP. I won't include WoD as Legion isn't out yet as things CAN change. I'm simply stating, if players wanted, they COULD play as if it was Wrath or BC or whatever preferred expansion that is on retail.
But I won't point out the good things in WoD as well as the bad as this isn't the kind of thread for it.
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Not only is that besides the point, it also sounds horribly disgusting.
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Finding people to do so is harder than doing said content on its original level. At level 80 if you queue for a raid or look for somebody you will either wait for ages or just be told to level up and solo it. Hell even to do a current content you need to wait a while if you aren't tank.
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Honestly speaking .... Because of the content drought it doesn't justify any sub until new expansion.
Which is why a level locked server (if not outright legacy servers) would help imo. The phasing has made it a megaserver like mesh already.Edited: April 29, 2016
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A level locked server with the WoD Talents and Spell crap? No, thank you. That will be a faceroll for almost every single raid.
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Well with tweaks, tunes and rebalances ofc (Legion is bringing in a new system where there will be bonus difficulties like lower tank threat generation or add death explosions etc. Those can be generously applied) . Its impossible to go back (as the clients and systems in use are way different now) but one can build from now on.
Or another path is level scaling .... Old content would scale to level cap and give transmog gear. Then again Blizz will need figure out the scaling formula first and then tweak the difficulty. (This is not something that can be done in a half assed way)Edited: April 29, 2016
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Or healer, but also very true. Not to mention even if you some how magically got 9 friends together and ran icc (or whatever) now in retail your classes are all way to powerful and it's just not the same. If you can sit there and nuke bosses down because you're way to strong, it's just not fun. Turning one's XP off was always just of way of low level twinking for bg's, but you can't seriously "raid" at level 60, 70, etc, but yes you can twink at those levels and have someone carry you through all the raids, but it's no where near the same as being in part of the expansion that the raids were released in and that right there is why people have nostalgia and come to private servers. The wanna relive the full experience and have a strong since of community.
...and retail WoW just does not offer this anymore.
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Agreed, if you're not gonna do the job right, just don't do it at all.
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I remember back in MOP on retail I was stuck at a lvl 80 account (before they upgraded the base game to cata) I was able to get Heroic Dungeon Queues at about 10 minutes (which is really nothing), of course I was so geared at the time I could solo most of the heroic dungeons for Wrath. But that was in MoP. But if ENOUGH people wanted to play at whatever level cap they wanted, the queue times wouldn't be a problem. I mean for awhile during WoW's Life Time, there was Twink Guilds and whether twinking is a thing at retail or not, players could make those kind of guilds if they so chose. Which again leads to no one stating you have to play at max level. Just like players here stop leveling at 60 or 70 on any of the other realms. If they wanted to do it, they can.
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Your point falls down to earth when you can just faceroll the content thanks to the new skills that every single class has and thanks to the fact that all the mechanics get affected through those changes. Going through ICC with a level 80 twink is almost pointless since you can just faceroll it at the current game state. I'll assume you never played WoD as it is for stating such a thing.
In order to actually be able to "revive" those contents you would need legacy servers with proper fixes to talents and abilities. That means that you would have to "downgrade" the current content without entering in collision with every single improvement they did for several aspects. That costs money and requires people that know what they're doing in order to monitorize every single aspect. Recreating a scenario like that is not as easy as people think it is BUT Blizzard has the money in order to do it. They just decided not to make it happen, specially when a new expansion is on the way.
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I have played WoD (which I can link multiple characters from the armory to prove this), I know how most dungeons/raids (well legacy ones that is) are affected and it doesn't help with the stat squish we had. I mostly do Random BGs and enjoy doing older raids. Haven't finished DS cause my frame rate doesn't help on Deathwing's Spine. But that is beside the point. I tried to solo SoO, but couldn't get past the first boss before it enraged as I couldn't move fast enough to kill the mobs (as Prot Paladin). (I mean I could try on my Rogue with Burst of Speed, but meh enjoy playing lock atm) With WoD, you have to make your own fun which is fine. If that is something you don't want to do, that is fine.
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[QUOTE=romz;2665394]I have played WoD (which I can link multiple characters from the armory to prove this)/QUOTE]
Nobody cares, these days almost everybody and there mom has a retail account. Trust me, this isn't where people are struggling to believe you.
The rest of your post is just you rambling on and on about you do this or you do that. If you can stomach retail and enjoy it so much, go enjoy it. Thank you for your time and concerns and have a good rest of your life.
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[QUOTE=saghha;2665912]The post is showing if I can make my own fun at retail, others can. That is the whole point of the last 2 sentences. Of course if you actually read my post you would know this. And considering the person I replied to didn't think I did play WoD which does show they did care otherwise they wouldn't had mentioned it. And obviously you cared if you brought that up separately from the rest of the quote. Otherwise you wouldn't had mentioned it period.
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[QUOTE=romz;2666001][QUOTE=romz;2666001]1. others can, others do, but retail isn't for everybody these days as others (such as myself and many other people out there on private servers) simply don't want to. Not going to go into detail, but simply put, i don't care to run old content in retail to try and fill in the cap that Blizzard left. Old content isn't the reason people don't wanna play Live WoW these days.
2. She was being sarcastic and taking a jab at you since you seem to be missing the point she and others have been trying to make. That's why I was trying to explain to you that having a retail account these days isn't a big deal as it seems that Blizzard loves to give WoD and game time away for free. I just got free game time in my email and I just laughed at it and detailed the email.
Stop being so literal.
