my full wrathful DK was just one shot by a pve ret paladin wth shadowmounre...
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It's pretty clear there is some bug affecting certain class abilities and how they interact with resilience.
PvPing with 1400 resilience doesn't appear that much difference to playing with 800 resilience.. something is seriously wrong. I can't identify what abilities specifically but I wish somebody more experienced than me could, because I know several experienced PvPers who have simply just quit because of the irregular numbers.
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Just giving my opinion.
The overall "drama" (if we consider it that way) around the mighty Shadowmourne is pretty much delusional.
Considering that, Ragnaros,Deathwing,Icecrown are and never been home for any real top arena PvPer, the whole game turns around who knows a bit more then the basics of his class/comp.
I've seen, and still notice, people with the mighty shadowmourne dealing less pressure then several other people.
Personally i never had struggle to reach any rate with low geared charts, how?
- Find someone experienced as you
- Learn from mistakes
The bugs,imbalance are a fact that you're in a 7 y/o expansion, with a realm up from years.
The mechanics are the same,repeating all over again.
Shadowmourne is a small boost, i've seen several "top rated self proclaimed" warriors dealing less pressure then me without it, doing bladestorm without bleeds/ms and so on, things which a decent pvp player would take in his advantage in an arena situation.
Sounds bad, but...no excuses.
Never seen a rogue/disc resetting, except 2-3 rogues in whole realm.
Never seen a proper Dlock keeping a good control of the map, except few people.
Never seen a Warrior intervene back in order to reposition or simply get something on his partner.
And those, are the basics for be competitive.
If people lack even in those things, if obvious that they qq about the mighty Shadowmourne.
The fact is that as the server is so old, almost whole realm got BiS items, but, it should not considered as a big issue as:
Any proper Spriest/Mage could farm any Shadowmourne
Any proper Rogue/Priest can do it
Anyone who knows the difference between be aggressive or be aggressive,can have their chance against a shadowmourne.
But, despite all above, one of the biggest problems is that the MMR is still not working completly propery in my opinion.
Still finding pretty much stupid that, for reach 1800+ rate you need something like 60 games or more.
Considering the rank1 are 2.2k, is normal that you get the "top players and best geared" way easier.
Thats why has always been used from the people who wanted to gather some pvp gear to:
- Wait 1-2 months before push to higher rates for gear
- Do the enough games for reach offsets and then 10weekly or more for points
- Do VoA and start PvE for be able to have access to a better gear to merge with the pvp one.
People are forgetting that it's not Cata/MoP, you have to do PvE yourself also, unless running certain classes, no better time then while you wait for all those "OP geared people" to get higher rates.
Just my 2cents.
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Thank you! You'd think that in 7 years people would've learned how to play this game, even though this thread says otherwise.
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Nope pretty sure getting one shot by some classes has nothing to do with anything you just posted about not being good at the game
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It's not even about the Shadowmourne, it's about the bugs, do i really need to take the effort of recording and posting a warrior bringing me to 10% with only Bladestorm and nothing else while i'm wearing 1400 resi as a shaman who wears mail and has a shield on for you to understand? Should i maybe record an arcane mage doing 20k+ only with arcane missiles, maybe a frost mage critting over 7k with frostbolts? I mean.. can't you test these things yourself? Please tell me Bladestorm alone is supposed to do 19-23k damage on a 1400 resilience shaman, enlighten me. And im not just writing random numbers i've done several tests, warrior wasn't even bis..
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Go ahead, I'd love to see some screenshots/footage :)
Edited: June 13, 2016
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Do i really have to, you can just as easily test it yourself..
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Have you ever considered not tanking the bladestorm and maybe LoSing in dog form ? Even 2k resil wont save you if you are mindlessly tanking dmg while casting some ****.
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I dont die from a Warrior BiS Bladestorm as Dpriest, running full furious and 1060 resillence. Just sayng.
20k Arcane mage and 7k Frostbolt are normally if you're enough stupid to let an Arcane Mage freecast, same goes on Frost Mage, they both usually run with less then 1.1k resillence, considering they are 99% BiS HC their dmg is legit.
Bladestorm is supposed to deal high amount of dmg,as is one of the crucial spells of the warrior that you need to take care of, if you add to it rend + bleeds is obvious that a BIS warrior deals high pressure.
BUt stil, unfortunely from how you type, in your case is completly lack of skills, as BLadestorm is one of the spells that as shaman, unless stunned, can avoid so easy.
I suck and never played Disc priest,im just furious geared and blue/green items also, but i menaged to beat several shadowmourne heroes, and be able to stay alive several mins against War/Pala who had also pretty high rating.
A small tip, isted of qq learn from the mistakes and learn your positioning.
If you die from a Frost Mage,Arcane or Warrior that easy, you're simply doing something wrong.
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Skill or not, the damage is still too high. It wasn't like that in the old core.
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It's not just warriors. Certain classes are just able to outright kill others with a few globals, even if the target is around 1400 resilience.
Classes that currently can do this are War/Rogue/Hunter/Warlock. I'd wager that these classes have abilities/talents that interact with resilience in an unusual or abuseable way.
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You guys are missunderstanding me, i'm not saying i can't deal with bladestorm, yes it is ******ed at this moment but obv you aren't going to die if you have deffs up or kite it, all i'm saying is doing 20k+ with bladestorm on 1400 RESILIENCE MAIL target with SHIELD doesn't seem right lol some classes just got buffed after Loarderon core was implemented.. Guess that happens when you introduce a core from a realm where everyone is Savage geared to s8 it ends up not being as balanced as it should since they balanced it to work well with lower gear and some classes scale so much more with gear than other..
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There was one rogue(Akrios) on AT back in 2011, with t7 raping s8 players in duels so i'd say it has something to do with skill.
Saw a shadow priest with BiS gear with no PvP achievements, not even 1 arena achiev and he was very bad so ye. The most surprising thing,however, is that 90% of the BiS geared people in Icecrown are donators. Back in 2011 - 2012 before HC ICC came out, you still had the option of donating HC items but not many people did it, and now? 90% of the bis players are donators. Kinda funny wasting your money on a wrath part that can be obtained kinda easily(except shoulders).
About the resi bug..that probably exists, has always existed and the only server that had it working was(AT=Blackrock). If it is working 100%, you won't see almost everyone with wrath + off parts / rings / trinkets PvE, sacrificing survivability for damage, that wont just work.
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