1.Why must i or anyone else like p2w?
2.You really gonna use that "don't have money" crap? I have a retail sub m8, i could donate easily if i wanted. Why would i want to though? How would buying uber gear, to "rek nubs in bgs" make me feel good about myself? Nah mate, i like to actually put in some effort into my character and make it mean something.
3.Nah Lordaeron wouldn't drag them anywhere, they could easily add in a cash shop for Lordaeron as it USED to have with cosmetic stuff etc and it would be fine. Also don't act like the ppl who donate on Icecrown do it, to help the realm rofl. (There's realms that run with NO cash shop like one VERY popular classic realm that is coming back btw). They donate to "rek nubs in bgs" with uber gear.
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Edited: November 8, 2016
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It's not about like or hate "p2w". No one's saying you must like it, and it's true that no one is forced to. It's about certain individuals criticizing big time and bashing a server where in fact you can get anything from a coin shop, while not being aware (or ignoring, which is worse) that that server, in this case Icecrown, is the reason why this project is still alive. The big most part of the existant donations are for Icecrown, and with it, they can maintain two servers with 12k cap, where one of them, Lordaeron, has a very limited coin shop. Without Icecrown, Lordearon would be a lot in trouble (says me? Yes, says me). So those players always have the tendency to bring their own personal preferences in here, which is wrong, and it would be awesome if everyone was aware that having a so hateful called "p2w" server is actually a good thing, no, a great thing.
Cash shop for Lordaeron would be fine, hmm, I guess, problem is, you had to be ready for 12200 topics agaisnt it (there were in fact), because everyone from there wants no donations at all. Red pill, no coin shop at all, blue pill, we leave and bye bye. Even though donators just want gear, which it's normal if you ask me, they are already helping the server, and that's what matters, I mean come on, who cares about their intentions?
I was in that "very popular" vanilla server too, guess what, it sucked *** because everyone was forced to play with 500 ms and was impossible to PvP and oops, blizzard shut it down. It's coming back? Wow great, then lets see for how long in case they won't add donations.
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People that couldnt manage a lemonade stand talking about business plans... legit.
Without Lordaeron, Icecrown would never have the population it has. Simple, new players see the webpage, and ooh nice 2 realms one with 12k and another with 6k, amazing! Bigger the numbers are, more that player is convinced to stay. This is all simple marketing. If i start a firm and make 2 products, item x gets me 40% profit per unit, but only sells for 200 pieces a month, while item y does not and only levels profit per unit but sells for 400 pieces a month, it will still be great for my business by putting my name out there. Lordaeron is pretty much the same, original features it offers also attract players to Icecrown, because it simply works as commercial to other realms.
So yeah, throwing **** and barking at Lordaeron players shows absence of logical thinking and just the need to say something bad to someone.Edited: November 8, 2016
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you seem to be forgetting that after moltdown deathwing and ragnaros did perfectly fine without lord. the only reason lord ever hit 12k was because deathwing/rag players were waiting to for thier realm to get lords core. once that happend the majority moved back. now i'm not saying lord is useless or anything like that, just pointing out that we'd be fine if it hadn't been released to the public.
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Im not forgetting anything, as i started playing actively here in late august (even tho this account is older) when Icecrown was already made.
Peaktime Icecrown and Lordaeron sum up to around 18-19k, im pretty sure deathwing and ragnaros didnt have these numbers combined - not 100% sure about this.
Also buying characters via trade system in Lordaeron makes you still use coins.
Quite obvious warmane is at its prime or least very close to it.
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oh it's definately in it's prime, can't argue that. was just pointing out that we were doing ok before lord.
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@ Drkwispurr -
1.Don't give me that "Icecrown is the reason why Lordaeron is alive crap". Lordaeron had donations when this realm was called molten and it could have now too. You can easily make donations for non top notch gear, cosmetic and other services, besides why do ppl like you think that a realm can't survive without donations? How did one of the biggest servers in the p server community, (u know which one i talk about) exist then? They had no donations.
2.Most of the pop (before the new core and merge) was on Lordaeron and even now it gets 7k+ peaks and is slowly growing, it's the realm that made Warmane who they are.
3.Almost noone likes p2w.
4.I haven't even bashed IC, i was talking to the OP about his silly question "what happened to lordaeron". Lmao with his fake statistics like 4 k cap etc... nothing happened it's just a troll post.
5.Noone cares about anything, but don't give us the "donors care" crap, all they care about is their shinies, so they can "own nubs" with their god-gear.
6.I had sub 100 ms so dunno what you're talking about. You might mean the serverside delay, but that has nothing to do with latency. I wish people would understand already that those are 2 different things.
7.Blizzard didn't shut anything down. They shut themselvs down, but they didn't have to. Obviously you know nothing of cease and desist. Now they are reopening and already said that those letters will politely be ignored, as they can be. Also what does that have to do with being able to run a server without donations? Lol nothing.
@ sukacakers - exactly spot on about Lordaeron being the all-known server which everyone relates with Warmane and that pulls in people to it. Even reviewers, when talking about Warmane, usually mention Lordaeron.
@ Skuddy - That "it was fine without lordaeron" line isn't really important, because any realm in this server could get deleted and the place as a whole would still do "fine"...
This entire thread is going off-topic.Edited: November 9, 2016
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If you say that Lordaeron can survive without Icecrown (or without p2w realms), then you may tell everyone how will it be sustained healthy, stabilized and while bugs being fixed here and there with 12k population and a very limited coin shop? Perhaps the money comes from the trees and I just had no clue about it? I haven't said that a server can't survive without donations, but I honesly won't disagree if you ask me. It won't be anything special and it won't last that long, take that vanilla server as example, it had good population due to a good advertisement and there were not any other decent realms as far as I know (perhaps 2 or 3 but they already gave everything they got), but then the outcome was simply horrible. LoS was a mess (arrows bypassing walls and trees, very well), everyone being forced to play under massive lags, being impossible to PvP especially as melee, corrupted GMs, I remember few stories about certain guilds being carried by GMs and so on, now it's closed, so yeah really nice waste of time. Doesn't matter if it was blizzard or themselves, truth is, it lasted around 1 year. Now they are coming back, we will see for how long, I'm curiosu now.
Almost noone likes "p2w" but again I ask what would be the best choice, peoples' personal tastes or what's better for a private server in genaral. Personally I vote for the second one, but that's me...
And I will say again, I don't even know if you bothered to read my post entirely, it doesn't freaking matter if donators just want to shine in PvP and rape nubs, the truth is, they are already helping the server regardless of their intentions, and that's what's important. I haven't said "donors care about server health" did I? Meanwhile non-donors are just filling spots. No, obviously is not a bad thing, but contribute, zero.
Yeah it was server delay, I personally had 40 ish ms, each spell taking more than one second to land, whatever, still, my point stands, it was merely impossible to do certain things there, especially PvP, I remember I was sticking my targets with glue several times and still "too far away" "too far away" "too far away" "too far away"...
To make it clear, I'm not here to bash Lordaeron and I don't dislike the server either. Private servers main's survability source is mostly money, so reflect about how crucial it can be to have a donation realm aswell.
Anyway my answer to this topic has been given, and that's the 3rd post. I would not like to waste more time in here going off topic either...Edited: November 9, 2016
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A. This is off-topic.
B. I'm not saying warmane should make any changes, cos tbh i wasn't even talking about this, i was originally replying to the question by the OP.
1.Yes it can survive as it did during the molten era, just add a shop for cosmetics etc.
2.There's realms that survive without donations. Go ask them how they do it.
3.I think you wanted to say "agree", not "disagree".
4.There were no other good realms...and then u say...well maybe 2-3....lol
5.Like what r u even talking about? How is it's downfall (coming back now btw) have ANYTHING to do with donations rofl? Them coming back even further disproves your point...
6.There was no lag (latency). There was serverside delay during 8 k + ppl.
7.Warmane has no bugs lol?
8.Once again, not a waste of time cos the database is still there and it's re-opening. You just don't keep up to date ey :P ?
9.Dunno about corrupt gms lol, that's anecdotal evidence that has nothing to do with donations and icecrown lol.
10.What is "better" for a private server then? Basically you are trying to justify P2W. Noone likes p2w, except the ppl that wanna faceroll nubs in bgs. READ: i'm not saying warmane should change anything here. I'm not even interested in this topic, i'm just argueing IC fanboys who say" without IC we're all doomed". I was originally just answering the question of the OP, this here is going way off-topic.
11.Yes i read your post in it's entirety, i hope you do the same.
12.Lmao ok than by your logic, EVERYONE who's not a donor is a SPOT FILLER, that conributes nothing and needs to leave. LOOOOOOOOOOOL. This is a PRIVATE server and it is MEANT to be free, that's why a LOT of ppl play it. ALL private servers are free. Some of them have cash shops for cosmetics and some have cash shops for P2W. Lmao the minority of ppl are donors, so if everyone who's not a donor would leave, then you'd have like 1k ppl on Icecrown all in full bis gear, you can enjoy your 10 hour queue times in there then rofl. Donors are in no way more special than other players. Other players are the norm and donors are just ppl that want to "rek plebs in god gear, on the P2W server", that's it.
13. That "too far away" crap has once again nothing to do with donors, they were in the process of releasing the new clustering system that would have eliminated that delay, if you'd actually know anything about the place...
14. I already said 2 times that i am not saying, warmane should change anything, i am just argueing your "Icecrown and donors ftw" bs.
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And again I haven't said they don't survive, I said it won't be as easy. Keep in mind aswell, and we both seemed to forget in fact, that Warmane is one project and other realms are another project. Just because few other servers can survive without donations, it doesn't mean Warmane can, or should. Perhaps other hosters are millionaire in real life and Warmane's ain't? Who knows anyway? And those servers you mention, are they really as good as Warmane? Meaning having 3 different patches, 6 realms, on which 2 of them can hang well with 12k population too?
Yes perhaps 2 or 3 were at least decent here and there (yes, I said perhaps, not definately) because yes I don't know all current private servers and those which existed in the past.
You keep saying noone likes p2w, meanwhile Lord's population is still less than half. Say whatever you want but against facts there are no arguments. But hey, hopes up, there's still ICC to come, so we will see, because yes, I also wish Lord's population won't keep decreasing as it's been happening since Icecrown began, even though it may slightly raise here and there.
And yes non donors are just filling spots, but I haven't said it is a bad thing did I? I haven't said they should leave did I? I'm aware that the more players in the better it is, no matter if donor or not. But I suppose that hosters prefer to have donators than non, even if it's a minor amount, it already helps the server, while a non doesn't, simple.
What exactly "Icecrown and donors ftw" have to argue about? Are you saying Warmane would be the same if Icecrown had not donations? If you're calling it bull****, then it means something similar, am I wrong?
This is going off topic thanks to you, with your phrase of "Lmao troll. Most ppl on priv servers play on x1 and it's good the scrubs left to a high rate realm. Lordaeron has 6-7 k + on peak and growing so dunno what you're talking about. Also 3-5 k is not standard. Most priv realms would be happy to have 3k pop. Troll." consisting on bashing high rate realms and insulting those who prefer high rates calling them as "scrubs". Nice attitude.
Lastly, if you don't want to hear phrases like "Icecrown best cuz helping project from donating" or "Lordearon no-lifer realm cuz x1" or whatever you may not like to hear, then don't bash Icecrown either like you did in the other topic with "If you want realistic pvp i suggest Lordaeron, cos in Icecrown you will get stomped by full bis donors with lolmourne all the time and will have to wait in queue to even log into the realm.". Not only you made it sound like Icecrown is a terrible server to play on (hence its 12k population right?) but also what you said is not entirely true. You won't see only full BiS players, in bgs there's also lots of ungeared players, When I used to solo queue on daily basis, I've actually met more ungeared ones than full bis in both mine and enemy team. And about the queue, you know there's still a way to avoid it, I'm sure you know what to do.
Just don't turn this into a deep Icecrown vs Lordaeron server even more than it is right now, there are several other topics about it, go there, say whatever you like.
Now please why dont you just give it up ;) I'm really getting tired of this...
PS - Any admin or mod who find anything wrong on what I've said about Warmane itself, pls feel free to correct me, I don't like to spread false information either.
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Marcuus how about you stop being so stupid, p2w my butt, if u prefer lord fine just don't insult the other realms that would be great, everyone is free to choose what they prefer, and if we have 2x population on IC then you have no rights to insult it. Play your char and let others do the same. If you dont like to hear that Icecrown helps warmane the most then it's ur problem, stay out of it!
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@Drkwispurr - for saying that this is "ur third post and u cba with more" you sure do cba with more walls of text. Here we go again.
How many foking times must i say to you, that i don't wish warmane to change anything and that my original reply was to the OP of this post, cos he was giving fake stats of some unexistant 4 k peak. Then it got off topic, but since u keep coming at me with this "all hail icecrown crap", i'll keep replying.
1.You don't know if something will be easy or not.
2.It also doesn't mean that they couldn't. It means nothing.
3.Lmao yeah they're millionaires...right.
4.Yes it was, it had almost 15 k on during some peaks and why do you think warmane has a 12 k cap? You think a realm could have infinite pop? There's a reason for it. It used to be less than 12 and they kept raising it incrementally to see where the point would be at which it's not possible to raise it anymore cos of serverside delay (very well done by warmane btw). As for the capacities of other realms, who knows. Just cos most don't have a huge pop, doesn't mean they couldn't handle it. Just like what happened with the realm where most of the refugees from the one that got closed went. They had 1k average and soon after had many thousands more and it was fine.
5. There's 5 realms on Warmane, not 6. (keep up to date)
6.Even in the past you had realms like wowscape or whatever it was called, that was back in TBC days and they had a huge pop, tech has moved on since then so now it's even easier to host many ppl.
7.Yes almost noone likes p2w (go take a look at youtube and see everyone hating on p2w for a REASON) and the pop on Lord is fine. 7 k peaks is more than pretty much any other server out there. People forget that a year ago or so, 3 k was huge. Now after the classic realm got shut down that had a bazillion ppl, everyone thinks less than 5 digits is small or smth lmao. Also it's pop seems to be slowly growing.
ALSO you do realize that most ppl on IC are NOT donors and most of them don't even think about it's p2w becasue they are either pvers who hope to get gear from raids anyway or they are nubs like the ppl who ask "what to do now that i'm 80" on the IC forums all the time - they don't know anything about anything anyway. Get realistic. Also go around and ask IC players if they like p2w or not. Most ppl just play there cos it's faster to lvl up cos they cba to do it on x1. ALSO you forget that IC = TWO servers merged.
8.Lord's pop only decreased when the other/s got the new core and then again when they were merged. After that it has been growing and stop acting like 7,2 k peaks is bad rofl...like r u srs? You have no facts, you seem to forget about the details and just mumble about random things that have nothing to do with anything.
9.No non donors are the majority of players as it's meant to be, for without them there would only be a small handful of donors. They are the norm and the donros are just ppl who mostly wanna faceroll "nubs with god gear" in IC.
What is this logic of yours that non donors "don't help the realm"...WITHOUT PLAYERS THIS PLACE WOULDN'T HAVE A POPULATION...do you not understand that? Donors are just a small extra. Private servers are about playing an older version of WoW, for free... not about trying to lure donors into somewhere and then saying "donors ftw" like you.
10.I don't understand that sentence about "calling it bull****".
11.Awe did you get offended over me saying that? Get real, what i said was totally correct. That guy was making the stats up, as even others in this thread pointed it out. You got offended over 1 little line about scrubs haha...and i didn't even mention donors in it. You write walls of text to me, cos i think the majority of ppl are "scrubs" in IC? You ain't gonna change my opinion about it, that's how it is, i suggest you realize that other people might not have the same opinion as you (life tip).
12.So x1 realms are nolifer? Lmao ok i guess retail is nolifer then.............ok!.....and u talk about "attitude" ROFL
13.I haven't bashed anything you overly sensitive clown. I said that the scrubs left to IC, the end.
14.The part about getting stomped by lolmourne full bis guys was true, also the login part. The population number means nothing to me. That's like saying McDonals is high quality food cos LOTSA PEOPLE GO THERE........lmao. Quality>quantity please.
15.I don't have to do or think anything about IC, i don't play there.
16.I'll stay here and say whatever i want. Stop trying to control what other people say and get to stepping yourself if you want.
17.You can give it up if you want, noone's saying that you can't.
@Havanaclub - nice start with that ad hominem attack mate. I haven't insulted anything, i am defending lord from others insulting IT. Lmao wtf does the pop number have to do with "someone's right to insult it"..are you delusional? I guess i have "no right to insult McDonalds" food either, cos there's so many ppl that eat there right? Yet you start your text towards me with an insult, by calling me stupid... talk about hypocrisy. IC doesn't help anyone but facerolling nubs. Why don't you stop trying to control what others say and get to stepping.Edited: November 11, 2016
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How about all of you guys shut up and let this thread die.
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Okay since this is getting nowhere, because no matter what people say, you're always hitting on the same key. So, lets resume the following points (skipping the least important ones)
You say a realm can survive without donations, and I said it hardly will, depending on its type and given conditions. Now let other players reflect about it and give their feedback by themselves.
Some people say Icecrown can't survive without Lordaeron and vice-versa. Lets wait and see what's the major opinion (pretty sure opinions will devide depending on the realm they prefer, so...)
You say that no one likes "p2w", or, almost, while I think that's a real risky assumption. Not everyone playing there is a donator, can't say exactly how many, but still lots of people aren't, we're both sure of it, and yet it's the most populated realm. By your assumption, Lordaeron should be the full server considering that, according to your words, full BIS players are the ones who like p2w and the rest don't. And to make clear, I don't want to use the population numbers to discuss about quality, but yes for what people prefer. Again, let people, or mods if needed, give their feedbacks about this too.
You say it's bull crap about donations helping the server, while I will never say such. I think admins or mods can give their analysis regarding donations and their effects, so, for the time being, lets stay out and watch.
You say it reached 15k and Warmane's 12k with cap. My feedback? It started having server delay once it used to hit 5 or 5.5k population so they should have implemented a cap there in the first place to avoid that delay, thing that Warmane always did. And we have two servers with 12k population withOUT delay. Don't even compare. Since your a fan of quality, I think there's nothing else to discuss. Again let others say what they think about this.
You say that 7.2k peaks is not a bad thing (even though I still think you're pushing, but yeah, might be possible during weekends without any dc), and then you acused ME to say it is, read my first post on this thread, guess we both agree about Lord's population statistic. So I didn't get why's that "stop acting like 7,2 k peaks is bad rofl".
You assume calling other people as "troll" and "high rate scrubs", oh and "clown" towards me, but I forgive you, (and devaluing afterwards) and such isn't offensive, while me and many others find it to be. Also, phrases like "Get real, what i said was totally correct." ain't exactly the way people should act on a forums. Forums are to share feedbacks and opinions as far as I know... And again, let others evaluate our attitudes then.
You make it sound that "lolmournes" are overpowered and nearly impossible to beat, meanwhile I've beat lots of them in Furious gear. This is just to show that skill can overcome it, considering 90% of them and backpedalers and barely understand 4 buttons. You have all rights to give your view about Bis SM players, but now allow me to give mine aswell. I don't think it's a problem of being OP, it's more a problem of players not learning how to play their classes properly (also depends on your class, obviously). There are lots of different minds and views about sm carriers. Everyone is free to share their thoughts too.
Just because population doesn't mean jack for you, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. Again, there are different minds for everything.
Stay here and say whatever you want then. I'm not trying to control anything, I'm like you, I'm writing exactly what I want to say.
PS - No, x1 realms are not no-lifer, it was just an example, so calm down.
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Lmao you respond right after my post. What are you prowling the forums 24/7? I make one reply per day and as soon as i do, there's a reply lmao.
Aight here we go again, since you obviously just keep wanting to talk about the same crap. You're literally repeating your posts and so am i.
Ofcourse i will keep saying this, because it's true.
1.Skipping the "least important ones". You mean the ones that you can't counter and conveniently "forget" to mention.
2.You don't have any knowledge about a realm being able to survive without donations or not, so don't assume anything here. There are many that do. Also seems like noone cares about this pointless off-topic thread, so don't expect any feedback.
3.Get real, NOONE likes pay to foking win. Only the people that want to have an unfair advantage over others. Go to any youtube channel and see how p2w is generally loathed by everyone... well DUUUUH are you actually hyping pay to win rofl? /faceapalm
4.It's hard to understand what you're talking about tbh, your text is dodgy. The reason why IC has more ppl is cause it's MERGED FROM TWO servers duuuh PLUS most ppl that join aren't even aware of p2w in it. Ppl don't usually research a realm they join very well and as i ALREADY SAID ( do you even read what i write? ), the pvers don't care about p2w cos they are hoping to get loot fast anyway from the increased drop rates and to them p2w matters less. It matters more to pvpers that go into bgs and especially arenas to get stomped immediately.
5.Just because someone plays on IC, doesn't mean they prefer p2w, they just prefer higher rates.
6.I'm not gonna wait and watch anything. Noone cares about this off-topic pointless thread.
7.You were trying to make f2p players look like crap and saying that this place is all about donors. Ofc a donation helps the realm DUH, but that doesn't make donors any more special and they are a minority, mostly out for their own gain, not cos they care about the server. Besides f2p players can vote to help the realm AND the more ppl on a realm (f2p players mostly), the more ppl will come to it aswell, cos that's how it works. Ppl see a big pop and they are drawn to it.
8.No the server delay started at 8-9 k, not 5 k. Epic lie. Secondly they were already working on a clustering system to solve this. Showcases your ignorance and has nothing to do with donations. Hence your "two servers with 12 and without delay is meaningless" and has NOTHING to do with donations. It had to do with how they weren't prepared to have such a huge pop (but they they learned and adapted). Warmane (MOLTEN), had exp in dealing with big pops. Lordaeron always had a high pop.
9.Why do you keep bringing up some mysterious "others"? First of all my opinion is MINE and noone else's opinion is gonna change that and secondly noone cares about this off-topic thread of you continually hyping donors and pw2, when the thread was originally about smth entirely different.
10.I have no idea wtf you're talking about at the 7 k pop part.
11.Once again you mention the mysterious "many others". Stop your demagougery and get to stepping with your "many others".
12.Yeah show me yourself in furious gear (rofl) vs a full bis lolmourne guy who is of equal skill. You'll get shredded. (furious lmao...sure you weren't in greens?). Get that anecdotal evidence outta here. Yeah i beat 7 k ppl while naked with a gray weapon!
13.Get real.Edited: November 12, 2016
