Minimum Advertised Price

[gavalisk]

The post above was the average player taralej speaking.

This post is the economist taralej speaking. I found a way to go around the fee. Just sell the cheapest character you have (fresh max level in green/blues). The fee you'll pay will be very small and the sale will cover your next fee. Sell a more expensive character, then an even more expensive one until you have amassed the amount of coins you need or you are left with only the characters which you don't want to sell. Profit. The only real money you would ever have to spend is for the fee of the first character you're going to sell.

Basically, hustle small and build up until you sell everything you have for sale. Even your average ghetto playa would think of this.

I read it twice and if Im understanding correctly, you are under the impression that the sale costs the seller, actual money and or necessitates them to have coins prior to the sale of a character? You are simply taxed the rate Warmane set. 425 coins sold = 63 fee, but they simply "deposit" 63 less of the 425, you do not need to pay up front. I did just take a big *** rip, ill check back.

[taralej]

Yep, noticed that as well. I'm currently selling several of my characters for a total of around 2k coins.

Edit: I'm noticing that a lot of people (most people, actually) put their characters as "Equipped only" and artificially lower the price, advertising BiS characters for 250-300 coins. I thought Warmane was against this? At least that's what they said in this exact thread literally last night. I guess not anymore.

[Obnoxious]

I'm noticing that a lot of people (most people, actually) put their characters as "Equipped only" and artificially lower the price, advertising BiS characters for 250-300 coins. I thought Warmane was against this? At least that's what they said in this exact thread literally last night. I guess not anymore.

Eh... what? First you talk about fees to post that don't exist, now this... I have to ask: do you actually understand how Character Trading works or you've just been complaining "because"? People have the option of selling with or without the character's inventory, having obviously two different minimum prices. If a character's equipment would cost 200 coins and their inventory would cost 400, selling just what's worn will have a minimum price of (a little lower because of incentive adjustments) 200 coins, or 600 if they sell with everything. What's "artificial" about having two options and picking one (one that was created so players didn't have to vendor or destroy inventory to sell characters that get an inflated price because of extra sets in bags, so if the character doesn't gets sold at least the items are intact)?

[gavalisk]

And our Marketplace? You still seem to brush that aside. If a character is carrying items that would cost 400 coins in our Marketplace, we won't allow that to be sold for "30 plus fee." That would be abused within minutes to "legally" sell items for much lower costs - or with any extras being paid in real money. That would devaluate all the items, as you could essentially buy anything along with a character for a tiny price, as long as someone had farmed and got spares to sell. If we have an item set at 50 coins in our Marketplace, we consider it to have a value of 50 coins, not however much someone wants to sell it for. We won't dictate how much it can be sold for in gold, but we will with coins, so if you want to sell a character with what our Marketplace considers 400 worth in coins for inventory and such, it will cost that much (actually, a little less, as there is a discount applied when adding up the value of the inventory).

I most certainly do not. I stated; after all Warmane's goal is to sell coins, not items. Period. Offering items is necessary as long as you make chraracter trading completely unusable as it prices people out. But what I'm trying to illustrate here is that creating a robust and sustaining character trading system might actually result in MORE coin sales. Again, Warmane doesnt sell items, they sell coins. If nothing else, it provides options. This is an alternative line of thought and disagreement is to be expected but locating and understanding the logic should not be difficult. I do not claim to be correct. The only way to find that out is to try but Im simply offering and expressing my frustations with a system in place that for all intents and purposes, should just be scraped, from my perspective.

[tinytrump]

The system definitely needs rework regarding non-bis geared characters.

I simply cannot sell my character because the minimal price is 150 coins.

Another character same class with +-25 higher average item level has minimal price 158 coins.

Whole one tier of gear better and the difference is 8 coins?

[taralej]

Eh... what? First you talk about fees to post that don't exist, now this... I have to ask: do you actually understand how Character Trading works or you've just been complaining "because"? People have the option of selling with or without the character's inventory, having obviously two different minimum prices. If a character's equipment would cost 200 coins and their inventory would cost 400, selling just what's worn will have a minimum price of (a little lower because of incentive adjustments) 200 coins, or 600 if they sell with everything. What's "artificial" about having two options and picking one (one that was created so players didn't have to vendor or destroy inventory to sell characters that get an inflated price because of extra sets in bags, so if the character doesn't gets sold at least the items are intact)?

I have to ask: do you actually look at the marketplace at all, Obnoxious? There are people there selling characters for 250-300 coins which they advertise as full BiS in case they're half-naked. Some people even say in the description "contact me ingame and I can take some items off to lower the price". I mean, come on :D

Why do you call it an "inflated" price? A DBW Hc on your character and in your bags would cost just the same to get from the marketplace, don't you think?

And about the nonexistent fee - I make mistakes and I learn fast. I already understood there is none and am already selling several of my characters, as I mentioned a little bit up the thread.

[taralej]

And don't freaking limit my messages. I've been here to speak up against any inconsistencies that I notice and that's exactly what I'm doing.

[Obnoxious]

I most certainly do not. I stated; after all Warmane's goal is to sell coins, not items. Period. Offering items is necessary as long as you make chraracter trading completely unusable as it prices people out. But what I'm trying to illustrate here is that creating a robust and sustaining character trading system might actually result in MORE coin sales. Again, Warmane doesnt sell items, they sell coins. If nothing else, it provides options. This is an alternative line of thought and disagreement is to be expected but locating and understanding the logic should not be difficult. I do not claim to be correct. The only way to find that out is to try but Im simply offering and expressing my frustations with a system in place that for all intents and purposes, should just be scraped, from my perspective.

Yes, you most certainly still do. We give coins as a token of gratitude for donations we receive, and those coins can be used on many things, including getting items from the Marketplace, yes, but you still seem to not get it, so I'll try to be as straight to the point as possible: Character Trading is an extra; our focus is the Marketplace, so anything that tries to change that goes against our intent and isn't going to happen; we aren't interested in changing these things around to better suit your perspective.

The system definitely needs rework regarding non-bis geared characters.

I simply cannot sell my character because the minimal price is 150 coins.

Another character same class with +-25 higher average item level has minimal price 158 coins.

Whole one tier of gear better and the difference is 8 coins?

The costs match those in the Marketplace, and items that are mainly used for transmogrification have high costs, as vanity is a luxury, not a necessity.

I have to ask: do you actually look at the marketplace at all, Obnoxious? There are people there selling characters for 250-300 coins which they advertise as full BiS in case they're half-naked. Some people even say in the description "contact me ingame and I can take some items off to lower the price". I mean, come on :D

Why do you call it an "inflated" price? A DBW Hc on your character and in your bags would cost just the same to get from the marketplace, don't you think?

And about the nonexistent fee - I make mistakes and I learn fast. I already understood there is none and am already selling several of my characters, as I mentioned a little bit up the thread.

And it seems you still don't get the feature at all. Unless they are lying and creating a scam offer, they aren't doing anything wrong, as they won't be able to sell for less than the minimum price anyways. If they are up to removing items to further lower the cost, that's on them. The only thing we enforce - aside from punishing scams - is the minimum price based on the items that will go with the character.

I call it inflated because junk/transmogrification items in the inventory will inflate the price, often by a lot. People with characters having a minimum price in the thousand with inventory can end up as less than one-third of that without, and many seem to not realize that, expecting either those items to not be accounted for in the minimum price or that they will cost little to nothing.

And don't freaking limit my messages. I've been here to speak up against any inconsistencies that I notice and that's exactly what I'm doing.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but you will either mind your tone, or not have to worry about it for a while in our Forums.

[taralej]

And it seems you still don't get the feature at all. Unless they are lying and creating a scam offer, they aren't doing anything wrong, as they won't be able to sell for less than the minimum price anyways. If they are up to removing items to further lower the cost, that's on them. The only thing we enforce - aside from punishing scams - is the minimum price based on the items that will go with the character.

I call it inflated because junk/transmogrification items in the inventory will inflate the price, often by a lot. People with characters having a minimum price in the thousand with inventory can end up as less than one-third of that without, and many seem to not realize that, expecting either those items to not be accounted for in the minimum price or that they will cost little to nothing.

So how can someone realistically sell a BiS character on the Marketplace without having to strip them of half their items and put them without the inventory?

[Obnoxious]

So how can someone realistically sell a BiS character on the Marketplace without having to strip them of half their items and put them without the inventory?

By there being a buyer up to using enough coins. The problem here seems to be you didn't pay attention to something I said in my first post replying in this thread (which was just a repeat of something already said many times before):

It's simply a possibility of selling a character, and in many cases it's just not going to happen because the character and its inventory are too valuable. Character Trading is just an option we offer for players to try selling their characters, with no assurance of anything selling (we don't even have any "posting fees") and, as I personally have stated literally dozens of times, we are not going to shoot our own foot by making our Marketplace irrelevant with people just selling the same things along characters at a smaller cost.

If you can't sell a character because it's too valuable, you can't sell that character. It really is that simple: not being able to sell a character is a perfectly valid and acceptable outcome.

[taralej]

By there being a buyer up to using enough coins. The problem here seems to be you didn't pay attention to something I said in my first post replying in this thread (which was just a repeat of something already said many times before):

I did read that. It just seems very inflated with the inventory and all, that's all.

If you can't sell a character because it's too valuable, you can't sell that character. It really is that simple: not being able to sell a character is a perfectly valid and acceptable outcome.

Okay, good, I'll buy that. So basically if I want to sell a character as valuable as that I'll just have to reduce its value somehow, for example by removing some of the items, and that is a totally okay thing to do.

[Obnoxious]

I did read that. It just seems very inflated with the inventory and all, that's all.

Okay, good, I'll buy that. So basically if I want to sell a character as valuable as that I'll just have to reduce its value somehow, for example by removing some of the items, and that is a totally okay thing to do.

The cost is determined mostly by the items going with the character. If you have all bags filled with items that are seen as useless/only used for transmogrification, but go for 10 coins each in the Marketplace, even a naked character will have an absurd minimum price if going with the inventory. Whether the items are good, going to be used or anything like that isn't going to be accounted, only their cost in the Marketplace.

And yes, removing items to lower the cost is normal and perfectly acceptable as, again, we only set the minimum cost for a character and based on items that will be carried over. As the buyer won't get the item in the end - the item will assumedly be in the inventory and get destroyed if a sale happens - our Marketplace isn't being harmed in any way. The concept is really simple: if you try to sell a full used computer with two GTX 1080Ti running on a 6950X and a 50"+ monitor, you might not find a buyer that will pay the price you want; if you remove certain items and lower the price, you just might. The only difference is we have an enforced minimum price for characters, for reasons already stated.

[tinytrump]

The costs match those in the Marketplace, and items that are mainly used for transmogrification have high costs, as vanity is a luxury, not a necessity.

This character is on Lordaeron and there are no items available in marketplace.

So 200ilvl items are worth only 5% less than 226ilvl items?

That is literally the difference between 10man tier 7 and 25 man tier 8.

I simply cannot sell this character for minimal price because its 30% more of what it's worth and I cannot compete with other offers with 1-2 tiers better gear but only 5% higher minimal price.

And I am selling this character without inventory so I dont think any of those items qualify as transmog or luxury.

[Obnoxious]

This character is on Lordaeron and there are no items available in marketplace.

So 200ilvl items are worth only 5% less than 226ilvl items?

That is literally the difference between 10man tier 7 and 25 man tier 8.

I simply cannot sell this character for minimal price because its 30% more of what it's worth and I cannot compete with other offers with 1-2 tiers better gear but only 5% higher minimal price.

And I am selling this character without inventory so I dont think any of those items qualify as transmog or luxury.

The costs mimic those of Icecrown's Marketplace, obviously. The items being equipped and not in the inventory won't make them less of items that are seen as "upgrade and replace" (at least based on what you're saying), hence being sought as transmogrification fodder, not as "keepers." Lastly, again, you not being able to sell a characters is an acceptable outcome. You can get better gear to have a better chance of selling it, you can remove items to lower the cost, or you can simply not sell it.