To me it looks like "Blizzard" just finally gave in to demands of suits from marketing department. Someone fought for us really hard for years, please appreciate that.
Maybe someone can explain to me, what is so bad about ninjas? I'm seriously confused. Because little irrelevant sacrifice to lose an item from time to time is small price for finding, lets say, "your community" which will bring you the greatest times in game.
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Edited: May 11, 2023
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Moderator
Explaining why stealing is bad is usually a parent's duty.
It being something digital in a game doesn't change the essence of it.
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Forum Veteran
Nice dodge.
How can someone steal something that's not yours? It's yours when you possess it.
Look at the terms themselves, "ninja", "thief" are not synonyms.Edited: May 11, 2023
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You just enjoy being that devil on the shoulder, don't you?
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"Ninja" is stealing gear that is meant for someone else, be it due to game, server or raid-specific rules.
Your attempts to try to rationalize and relativize stealing are no dodge, though. But here's hoping someone "not-steals" what you would get as a gift (the costlier the better, since it's "not stealing" anyway, let's make it a brand new car and up). You only possess it after it's given to you after all, so no harm, no foul.
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But this logic will lead you to banning people for "stealing" herbs, ores, mobs, etc. I run there and "claim" that ore, I'm killing that one mob in range, but suddenly this thief cancels stealth and mines it! It was MINE! Yes, it was never mine, no one stole it. He ninjaed it.
There is something more important underneath, I understand the good intentions, it would be nice, fluffy and rainbows. But should it? Do we really play to have guarantee to get items we are "supposed" to get? There needs to be enough chaos for players to create order out of it. It's important.
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Having to quote myself is boring.
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Yeah, good old "we make the rules" card. You can pretend you don't understand what I'm actually talking about, it's fine.
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Regardless of stealing, everyone in the raid is agreed to a set of loot rules.
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I understand what there is to be understood: you're desperate to try to have a mirage of a point in this to justify this bizarro world view you have that a videogame - something made for fun and entertainment - is some sort of social experiment that requires people ruining it to be "complete", and will continue until no one cares to reply anymore.
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Ninja is just the shortcut game devs implemented on purpose to see constant drama and never ending salty tears from the players :))
btw if you dont want to get ninja-ed there are several things you can do to avoid that, the obvious one being the leader of the raid.
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Field Medic Moderator
Yall arguing over the dumbest ****. Nobody cares about semantics. Stop it. This is just as bad as people quibbling over pixels in the game itself.
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Forum Veteran
Yes, players made those rules and players break those rules. It's an action within game either way, it's neither good nor bad.
well, not anymore.
That's exactly right. And it absolutely makes it fun. Why do you think it "ruins" it? 999 player actions in game "ruins" my game. What are you saying here, you actually want sterile conveyor of a game where everyone prints the gear they "deserve" in a neat stright lines?
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Yes, but with the way the ninja policy works those rules are enforced by the GM team.
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That's what I mean, it's not up to players. And my opinion is that it should be up to players. Guys like OP now report ninjas, all righteous and cleaning the "community", wants permabans, all that good stuff. "Community" that's actually just a bunch of random strangers, everything that's human condition included.
Instead of taking actions and actually never deal with ninjas ever again, he will go "omg" every time he gets ninjaed(inevitable) and make reports for years and years.
