Ninjas

[chris2595cto]

Of course, the modern public likes to be robbed, don't talk nonsense... and continue defending the ninjas, that's how the server will go, stopping people from playing... there are 4 ninjas right now setting up another icc in Dalaran... ps: If you get mugged on the street, it's not your mother who has to solve the problem, but the police, in this case, the gm...

[chris2595cto]

apart from a modern audience I have little since I have achieved LOD before you started playing surely

[arcsperia]

If you have achieved LOD before everyone else here, as you are being told already, since you are that experienced go and create your own group and you wont ever again face ninjas. Its your fault why they are not banned because you didnt gave enough evidence, i can assume that your ticket looks like this "hey gm this guy ninjaed whole icc and left", without pictures, without video. If you have time to waste 3+ hours on pug raids, you also have time to join guild raids, you also have time to create your own pug raid but you wont do it because you seek attention and come here to cry all the time

[chris2595cto]

It's my fault that more than 15 people from the raid report it and continue playing without being banned, right? HAHAHAHA surely if you defend them so much it is because you will be one of them

[angrylol]

Of course, the modern public likes to be robbed, don't talk nonsense... and continue defending the ninjas, that's how the server will go, stopping people from playing... there are 4 ninjas right now setting up another icc in Dalaran... ps: If you get mugged on the street, it's not your mother who has to solve the problem, but the police, in this case, the gm...

"Modern public" stomps right into traps like sheep, traps that have been obvious for 30 years already. If you walk the streets where robbers are instead of being smart - it's irrelevant who is "right and wrong", fact is that you will get robbed. And you could have avoided that. Do you cross the crosswalk without looking also? After all you are right, right?

I'm sure you have sufficient evidence that those 4 are ninjas. If you don't, you better keep yourself in check.

It's my fault that more than 15 people from the raid report it and continue playing without being banned, right? HAHAHAHA surely if you defend them so much it is because you will be one of them

amount of people is irrelevant, what matters is sufficient evidence. Work on that.

[arcsperia]

It's my fault that more than 15 people from the raid report it and continue playing without being banned, right? HAHAHAHA surely if you defend them so much it is because you will be one of them

Sadly for you i dont need to ninja any item, enjoying my time in one of the best guilds on Warmane, thanks to them i have multiple BiS characters. But you keep playing with pugs

[Wilz0n]

This is because you did not properly asses environment you are in and are acting as if you are somewhere else.
You are playing on Warmane, so play as if you are playing on Warmane, not Bliz. That is really simple.
Do not trust random ferals. Make your own circle with people you want, people that will press need on lockboxes or play in whatever way you all agree on.
Stop trying to make this place into something else. You don't go into car repair shop and ask for 500kg of carrots. That's delusional.

Maybe if you could make a proper analogy, we could have a productive conversation.

WoW = WoW, and you're suggesting that a car shop isn't a grocery store. You probably need to learn how to utilize proper reasoning before you talk to people about THEIR issues.

[Shred]

WoW = WoW

At first sight it seems so, but then it turns out that the evidence is stacked up against you.

[Wilz0n]

Still waiting for a comment on starting a guild or being the raid leader of your own PuGs, two solutions to your problem that would do away with the need for reports or worrying about how long a ninja is banned.

Right, because rather than recognizing accountability for yourself, you'd rather give weak solutions in a bad environment that you guys promote with this type of mentality. It's free WoW, but you're kinda highlighting an issue beyond anything that the players can resolve on their own. Just openly admit that you don't give a crap about how people act here so that we can at least say that you're open about things.

[Wilz0n]

At first sight it seems so, but then it turns out that the evidence is stacked up against you.

Is there an option to just block seeing literally anything you have to say? Your inane trolling isn't meaningful to me in the least and you're more of an eyesore than anything. If not, cool, but you won't get a single other response from me unless it's productive and helpful to me in some way.

[Obnoxious]

Right, because rather than recognizing accountability for yourself, you'd rather give weak solutions in a bad environment that you guys promote with this type of mentality. It's free WoW, but you're kinda highlighting an issue beyond anything that the players can resolve on their own. Just openly admit that you don't give a crap about how people act here so that we can at least say that you're open about things.

What accountability? We don't have any duty to do anything beyond what's stipulated in our rules - which, yet again for the slow, is more than what Blizzard did about this.

But sure, I'll openly admit I don't give a **** about someone crying that they aren't being catered to like toddlers who can't change their diapers. You have the tools and options to keep yourself safe from getting loot stolen, and then you have unsafe options that we clearly state what can happen and what limited actions we will take if a rule is broken. If you want to talk about accountability, start by taking accountability for the well-known potential consequences of the option you pick instead of expecting GMs to come running to your rescue.

All in all you seem much more suited to go make your own server, where you monitor and impose your own rules and create your very own paradise on Earth, than to play in ours, as you are unable to accept the terms here. Good luck with it.

[angrylol]

Maybe if you could make a proper analogy, we could have a productive conversation.

WoW = WoW, and you're suggesting that a car shop isn't a grocery store. You probably need to learn how to utilize proper reasoning before you talk to people about THEIR issues.

Analogy was proper, and you are right, it's THEIR issue and THEY should deal with it instead of crying about it here, that will give exactly 0 result just like last 500 exactly the same topics.

[OhieMitzen]

It's my fault that more than 15 people from the raid report it and continue playing without being banned, right? HAHAHAHA surely if you defend them so much it is because you will be one of them

A person says "reported" and you think that's something truthful? Nah, it isn't. People who only say 'reported' often do nothing in the end. Did you see at least 15 reports? Nope, you didn't, so how do you know 15 made a report. Who is to say those reports, if they were ever made, provided all the required information to make a case? Not some single cropped image of rolls where winner says "lider no gib item; reported". You don't make a proper report within 5 minutes, much less in 5 seconds when people screech 'reported' as a scare tactic.

Two options here.
1. Leader did not in fact ninja.
2. Leader did ninja, but out of "15" reports, none made it right.

[Wilz0n]

Analogy was proper, and you are right, it's THEIR issue and THEY should deal with it instead of crying about it here, that will give exactly 0 result just like last 500 exactly the same topics.

lololol

So you're a bad troll as well then? Blizzard's version of the game vs the Private server version of the game doesn't make them even remotely different on the levels you're suggesting.

Baaaaaahahahahaha

[Wilz0n]

What accountability? We don't have any duty to do anything beyond what's stipulated in our rules - which, yet again for the slow, is more than what Blizzard did about this.

But sure, I'll openly admit I don't give a **** about someone crying that they aren't being catered to like toddlers who can't change their diapers. You have the tools and options to keep yourself safe from getting loot stolen, and then you have unsafe options that we clearly state what can happen and what limited actions we will take if a rule is broken. If you want to talk about accountability, start by taking accountability for the well-known potential consequences of the option you pick instead of expecting GMs to come running to your rescue.

Then why are you banning players at all?

You see, this is where your bullcrap ideology fails. You want players to play here. Now that you have them, you put up some fake front that you care about them, but being unwilling to properly ban players for acting poorly, and also trying to talk about "catering" and "diapers" when the server itself doesn't have the same inherent built-in accountability that normal servers do for players, is just hypocritical bullcrap. You are full of ****. Just remove the reporting option entirely then, since you now admit that you don't care.

What I expect is GMs to moderate players acting like utter ****bags, when the game they moderate promotes an easy to level, easy to manipulate situation. ESPECIALLY when there are real world monetary implications involved. If you guys aren't willing to do that, then remove all of the falsehoods your server promotes. What you have here is an unmitigated selfish pile of pixels that people are supplementing their income with by manipulating your decent playerbase. Congratulations on unregulated free market manipulation that you're openly promoting to toxic levels! I bet you're the best at all of the parties you're not invited to, an assumption I'm makikng with how little you care about the people you "moderate."