I have zero clue why you're projecting.
All he has been saying is that if people truly are that interested and eager to test stuff, they are already perfectly capable of testing plenty of things in the Onyxia PTR - which is just a plain and straight fact.
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I am a bit tired of repeating the same sentence over and over again but please bring your 150+ friends and engage in testing gameplay and help identifying bugs as the release date approaches quickly. If you were active in the TBC arena scene post Classic you would understand why this statement is funny.
There are other issues that the developers probably have to deal with so getting valid bug reports as soon as possible will benefit all of us by eventually playing on a polished realm. Waiting until the last 2 days before release just because you think you need a perfectly setup character with gear and the best interface and then bombarding the bug tracker with possible reports is not going to be as effective as doing it NOW to give everyone involved enough time to deal with these issues. (If I had to guess you guys just want to "practise" before release)
Also with the possibility of getting Blackrock testing at some point it would still make a lot of sense to reduce the workload by testing mechanics and spell interactions etc now and focus on testing the gear crate reward system once Blackrock is out for example.
We did a duo arena test yesterday using 2 clients each and we were able to identify new issues again and work on addon timers, it is more than doable on the current PTR. Cooldowns also reset automatically inside the arena after dropping combat so you can spam CDs and do not have to wait or requeue for them to reset.Edited: October 24, 2024
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totally agree with you verksm, its just much more convinient (and also fun) to play with pvp gear while testing. I will test stuff on the current PTR, but in my opinion it would be much easier to play some 'realistic' games and find bugs instead of being dead in 3 globals and constant need to go afk.
Idk personally I cant think of more than 3-4 things that I would like to specifically test out. But while playing some realistic games Im sure Ill discover enough bugs to make a difference.
Im not part of the team (so I might miss out on crucial information), but to my knowledge the Blackrock TBC PTR realm is already existent. It was released for 2 days a while ago, so why not release it again. Yes some people will just que to practice, have fun whatever. But activity will always bring in bug reports.
Thats why Im asking the team, if they say no thats a statement as well and fine for me. Not demanding anything just trying to have a great experience here :)
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The initial release was on the same level as the current PTR, around 30 resilience gameplay with blue dungeon gear and hardly anyone online either. Also the downtime is probably used to work on the gear crate system and update starting gear as well as vendors.
One thing Staff could do however is enabling the PTR NPC stuff like "no damage taken" or "no mana cost" to stay active inside arena as well so you are basically able to play an infinite game for testing purpose.
Install details addon to analyze data like resists and so on afterwards.
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The PTR is in a PVE testing phase it's not ideal for testing realistic pvp. You can obviously test certain things but it's not great. Malaco himself mentioned we will get a pvp PTR testing phase. People are just wondering when that's going to happen. Earlier the better!
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I have a 70 setup on the TBC PTR, but people run around at 100 mph and spells have no cooldown lol
If you want people to test arena, the server has to simulate actual gameplay. You don't find bugs by just spamming random CD's (maybe you do, but that's not how I'd get a feel for what is working and what is not).
Wasn't there already a Blackrock PTR up? Why not just put it back up so people can play and test? We're not asking for perfect vendor gear, who cares what the gear is, we just want to test actual arena games.
And saying "practice" is funny, most of us are rank 1 players, we don't need to practice, we want to help in an environment that makes sense.
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Okay one more time back to the drawing board for the true NA rank 1 forum legends, impressive btw, we all are! So here are some possible scenarios:
Blackrock will re-open before launch to test and S1 gear will be included in the starting template vendors, then you can MAYBE play your "real games" XD. That would be additional workload for the staff because they would have to rework these vendors with free S1 gear for launch because obviously it will not be free then.
More likely however is the second scenario with Blackrock reopening to test giving players the starting gear used in the upcoming release which will most likely include a mix of green and blue quest gear and a 5 minute trinket which is WAY WORSE than what you can currently get on the PTR.
The only difference would be not permanently resetting cooldowns when dropping combat but in a testing scenario this can also be tedious. For example let us assume you want to test shadowstep angles and corners and rely on spamming it very often then you are grateful for the implemented reset. Same applies to other testing scenarios. The additional movement speed, extra damage or damage immunity that you can get using the PTR NPC is not working inside the arena. My suggestion here is to give players the option to enable the cooldown reset in arenas on PTR or disable it.
So now to get your "feel" for what is working or not you can still gather your friends and just log in and queue because the testing environment will most likely be very similar to what it is right now if I had to guess, besides the CD reset. Not playing and doing nothing is way worse than logging in now and just sending it with the CD reset and bad gear because you claim gear will not matter to you, you just have to spam games I guess. If having CD reset implemented prevents you from playing test games with your friends then not sure what to say. You could even go as far as recording the games and re-watch to see if any weird interactions occurred.
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that is not true, blackrock tbc ptr which was alive for few days had different gear, didnt have cds that reset while out of combat and ppl been spamming squirmishes all day kinda
last time i played tbc arena skirmish on that pve server, it had cooldowns reset for all classes once u get out of combat, ressurect in arena aka not fun to play
just open it and let people
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Not sure if you even read my posts but yeah, which Blackrock PTR did you play on? https://i.imgur.com/NmWnVm7.jpeg this was the mage starting gear for example, would not call it better than the Pve PTR gear at all :D
I logged there daily and we had like 15 games played total over the days it was available.
Anyway, with the current PTR going offline today I think there might be a decent chance we get the Blackrock PTR back soon if I had to guess.
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