How'd you manage that?
Much better than anyone choosing to get offended over the comment, that's for sure.
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Field Medic Moderator
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Retired Ret Noob
I pull more weight than everyone else at my job, setting a new record everyday, have also been told management would like to see me in a supervisor position - never have gotten one yet.
Only been a year though so I guess it's a nice compliment.
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Banned
While Jaina is not pushing such extremes, cannot you say the exact same about the current character of Sylvannas? Character is developed by awful things that happened to her and loved ones in the past... Can you not say that about any evil person which at some point had negative influences impact them into who they are? True that Jaina hasn't done anything wrong, but in a way, nor had Garrosh in Draenor - he was just trying to restore his horde - the original horde and ended up a villain for it...
#GarroshDidNothingWrong
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Loremaster
So, you're a weightlifter? Impressive.
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Retired Ret Noob
In a sense I am actually. With a hyster forklift :|
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Loremaster
That doesn't sound so bad. Occasional back workout I guess, but only occasional? You can't get fat. That's a plus.
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Retired Ret Noob
True, valid point.
The irony of my job, though, is that my co-workers are gigantic. Not in a good way. I'm average I reckon.
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Loremaster
Well, if you live in 'Merica, that's possible. When I go to the grocery store and see those people driving those carts only because they're lazy.. I always remember that movie Wall-E.. All humans are in a space ship, somewhere in space, eating fast food and not walking, because why the hell would you walk at all if you have a some kind of hovercraft (in their case), or motorized cart in grocery store?? Walking is for *****s ^^
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Field Medic Moderator
Sylvanas also commits terrible acts and feels no remorse in them. That in itself is very very different from Jaina, and that's just picking up details from the surface of the character. Garrosh also committed terrible acts - he did wrong things for the right reasons. But the ends do not justify the means. Claiming that Garrosh did nothing wrong because his intentions were good is not true at all. You cannot absolve someone of their crimes because of their intentions. Knowing those intentions are supposed to allow you to connect to the character and perhaps sympathize with them, but that does not absolve them of their sins. This is a plot device in plenty stories. Probably the most popular modern one as of this moment is that of Thanos in Infinity War. Trying to make the argument that Jaina is evil even though she has done nothing wrong because "Garrosh did nothing wrong" is silly.
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Member
Goth girls are just uuuugh yes please, wts my soul for one
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Loremaster
I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNAVAjSQafY with my 3 year old, and she was soooo interested in it. She had so many questions, and I was soo hyped answering them (shocker).
In three years she'll definitely be smart enough to play resto druid in BG's(no offense but not much brain needed ^^). I better learn to arms warr and get that Shadowmourne somewhere.Edited: October 14, 2018
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unsobersided
That's why the group circle jerk didn't work when you brought the multitudes of cancer to the forums.
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Banned
May sound like I am nitpicking this out of your comment but that is actually the part that struck me as most interesting. Can't it? I suppose it all comes down to a person's morals in the end. Lets distance ourselves from what is legal and not and place you in a situation...
You are a glorified surgeon in an emergency hospital at the day of a major sport's event when they bring an athlete with a badly strained ankle. You dose the athlete with painkillers and urge them to wait as you get called for an emergency. In the other part of town, there has been a car crash with four individuals in a critical condition, each injured differently and in urgent need of organ transplants - organs which you can take from the athlete to save these four people... You either lose four lives or one... Say you choose to spare the athlete - does society not blame you for allowing so many to die? Don't their families? Say you don't and take what you need from him... Hasn't the greater good been achieved? Or do the ends still not justify the means?
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Field Medic Moderator
I don't even know what you're trying to say at this point. Jaina is objectively not evil. You can argue that evil is a point of view, but the only point of view that truly matters is the storytellers over at Blizzard.
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Moderator
We're doing Trolley Dilemmas to justify Garrosh being a piece of **** now? And a failed one on top of that, as any physician who isn't on a TV show like House MD would have a duty to his patients and wouldn't ever consider murdering someone with a strained ankle to save some others with transplanted organs (and that's while already giving the gargantuan leeway required to have a single doctor in a whole town be responsible for everything and that one guy is magically transplant-compatible with those four other people). No, society wouldn't blame him for allowing the others to die if he didn't murder someone else to save them with harvested organs. Quite the opposite, actually. Society would only have an issue if he refused to try to save them by non-murdery, normal methods.
As for Garrosh, the piece of ****, he's nothing but a megalomaniac power-hungry orc who felt being deformed and having tusks made him superior to all other races, who time and again proved the Horde was just a tool to achieve this "green pig supremacy" he dreamed of, and that he would do anything, do any deals with the Devil he had to if he felt it would get him closer to what he wanted, **** whatever the other orcs and the rest of the Horde did.
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