WotLK Lf ideas how to make Unh PvE Viable.

[Lynea]

@ lynea does corruption qualify as a disease?

No, but Locks benefit in the way that they don't have to use Curse of the Elements. They can use Agony or Doom instead and net more dps.

[Beanlord]

They can already do that because of moonkins though. Still it's a good enough bonus in 10 mans I suppose. Plus shadow priests always benefit from it.

P.S. Not picking a fight and I'm kind of repeating things already said.

[Bensten]

end-game full bis uh dk always dropped dirge and uhb just to take 3/3 reaping, what planet do u live on?

This is just not true. There are 140 pages on EJ stating the opposite. Especially for carriers of a proc weapon.
The exception can be a patchwerk encounter while nearly arp capped. This is the situation where reaping might be able to surpass the standard non-reaping spec.

However, on warmane you can ignore http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=55620 and http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=52143 and put those points into reaping.

[dike]

This is just not true. There are 140 pages on EJ stating the opposite. Especially for carriers of a proc weapon.
The exception can be a patchwerk encounter while nearly arp capped. This is the situation where reaping might be able to surpass the standard non-reaping spec.

However, on warmane you can ignore http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=55620 and http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=52143 and put those points into reaping.

if dk in some sunny day will work like on retail, u could apply those ej guides. until then i wont do such a thing

[angrylol]

I recommend taking Reaping with Disease glyph, very smooth and easy play, can pay more attention to keeping ghoul alive, position gargoyle, etc.

[Battlerage]

When i heard about whats going to happen to dw and rag i had hope that atleast they will fix pets but nope i went to ptr and tried out unh i had to run from shadow vault to icc just to try it out and what i found out is that pets still do low dps my ghoul has 3720 str and gets 3700 ap or smth close to that it does like 4-6% of my dps if this is going to be the same after the update il have to leave unh because my patience has run out.

[taralej]

Yep, I decided to try it out as well - ghoul barely scales at all from gear, hitting 300 melee no matter if you're naked or BiS. Ghoul is supposed to be like 15% of Unh's damage - here he's near-useless.

[dike]

just tested on ptr, useless UB talent is worth of 0.9% of dps if FULL BIS. so, just as i said its simply better to put talents into 3/3 reaping from dirge and useless(pve-wise) UB. if u wanna claim opposite just go and test it by urself either on ptr or on dw(when it will be online again)

[Beanlord]

just tested on ptr, useless UB talent is worth of 0.9% of dps if FULL BIS. so, just as i said its simply better to put talents into 3/3 reaping from dirge and useless(pve-wise) UB. if u wanna claim opposite just go and test it by urself either on ptr or on dw(when it will be online again)

Is it really that hard to notice that it does 10% of your Death Coil damage? As in it's worth as much as 2/3 Morbidity?

P.S. Did you try that step-by-step test I gave you on the previous page?

[Lynea]

Just going to put this out there. Did 21k dps on Deathbringer Saurfang with full arp gems.

[Battlerage]

I am playing with full arp as well because with no scaling to my pets why the hell would i use str when my 3 top abilities are Melee, SS and SS shadow damage better having 100% arp than 300 more strenght. Btw i think yr dps was that high cuz it seems to me that SS shadow is working better now and do y know if pets die from aoe now?

[dike]

Is it really that hard to notice that it does 10% of your Death Coil damage? As in it's worth as much as 2/3 Morbidity?

P.S. Did you try that step-by-step test I gave you on the previous page?

u just deny the fact that 10% of death coil per 10 seconds is a waste. (0.9% of dps)

[Beanlord]

u just deny the fact that 10% of death coil per 10 seconds is a waste. (0.9% of dps)

Should I assume you're daft or something worse? In case you are I'll explain this as I would to a 5th grader in Bulgaria.

Lets say we got a 10,000 DC hit (round number for simplicity). And let's assume we have specced 2/3 Morbidity. That would mean we have 10% extra damage on your DC. 10/100 * 10,000 is 1,000.

Let's assume you have the same DC hit and have decided to spend 1 point instead of 2 on Unholy Blight. This means that UB will do

10/100 * 10,000 which is 1,000 but over 10 seconds. In total 100 damage each second.

Here's the tricky part, it stacks and this is what YOU don't want to admit. I told you how to make a test for yourself. If you refuse then well... your choice. But until you actually see for yourself that it does stack and it is a worthwhile talent just refrain from commenting ok?

[dike]

Should I assume you're daft or something worse? In case you are I'll explain this as I would to a 5th grader in Bulgaria.

Lets say we got a 10,000 DC hit (round number for simplicity). And let's assume we have specced 2/3 Morbidity. That would mean we have 10% extra damage on your DC. 10/100 * 10,000 is 1,000.

Let's assume you have the same DC hit and have decided to spend 1 point instead of 2 on Unholy Blight. This means that UB will do

10/100 * 10,000 which is 1,000 but over 10 seconds. In total 100 damage each second.

Here's the tricky part, it stacks and this is what YOU don't want to admit. I told you how to make a test for yourself. If you refuse then well... your choice. But until you actually see for yourself that it does stack and it is a worthwhile talent just refrain from commenting ok?

im well aware that it stacks, but it doesnt stack like ignite or deep wouds, making its unviable in pve. after all those redesign of this spell it become pvp utility spell, main purpose of which is dispel protection. what the point of having it dealing even 300 dmg pet tick?

[Abra]

im well aware that it stacks, but it doesnt stack like ignite or deep wouds, making its unviable in pve. after all those redesign of this spell it become pvp utility spell, main purpose of which is dispel protection. what the point of having it dealing even 300 dmg pet tick?

It stacks exactly in the same way (or at least used to pre-Lord core, haven't been able to log in yet). Just because an ability isn't doing 30% of your dps doesn't mean that it is broken or worthless. The point is that unless DnD is part of your rotation (which it isn't) 1 point in unholy blight will be a better investment in terms of single target dps than in Morbidity.