huntard damage ?

[ntwoo]

dmg seems to be indeed kinda op and bugged . but seeing 300k chim shots with full buffs is satisfying

[Evira]

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The 4 ally hunters were also BM ofc : )
LMAO

[Callisto93]

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The 4 ally hunters were also BM ofc : )
LMAO

What does BM have to do with this thread, if you're saying hunter itself is bugged then by all means,show how? We were discussing chimera shot,which BMs don't have. It's becoming ridiculous and pointless, too much crying over something new when so many other classes were critting all our asses for that same damage since the beginning of mop. Adjust.

[Avitus]

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The 4 ally hunters were also BM ofc : )
LMAO

The reason why most hunters pick BM is because it's the easiest of the three specs.
Linking 4x of same class in a 15man BG is sad,especially when people have seen 6x warriors,or 5x locks,**** i was once in a BG with 7 DKs.
And as it was said,nobody cares about BM,it was a faceroll spec for BGs on retail,and so it is here,this discussion is about Chimera shot all of a sudden being OP after the new pvp gear introduction.
Honestly,how dumb can people be,i mean are you lot born this way or did some cataclysmic event occur in which you were irreversibly damaged?
Show proof,a comparison from retail 5.4.8 MoP arena reports compared to warmane on damage of different skills on equal gear.
Just saying X is bugged because it does Y dmg is stupid,and linking 4x of random class who happen to have the same spec is not exactly proving anything either.

[skullatbash]

Chimera Shot damage is indeed bugged and I have reported it.

finally someone "normal", 3 pages and no one in the thread tryed to make proper test or talking baout what should be the Chimera's dmg.

I do not play hunter and I do not know how it works on MoP but it should be pretty easy to test Chimera dmgs.

Tooltip says it does 265% weapon ranged damage (as Nature dmg, so bypass armor) + 6k (around) bonus.
I asked to a random Hunter he said his "Character Stats" shows "26k-33k" ranged dmg (avarage is 29,5k)
so it should be around : (29,5k*2.65) + 6k = 84k not-crit on dummy
But his Chimera does 200k not-crit on Dummy

unless I missed something this means Chimera is bugged at the moment, obviously my calculations might be wrong because I do not have an Hunter Character

[romz]

I played Hunter on Retail during MoP BM should be doing more damage than MM. However that changes in WoD. So take it as you will.

[Callisto93]

I played Hunter on Retail during MoP BM should be doing more damage than MM. However that changes in WoD. So take it as you will.

Well, do YOU think MM damage is too high as 120k average chimera crits?

[-Notorious-]

finally someone "normal", 3 pages and no one in the thread tryed to make proper test or talking baout what should be the Chimera's dmg.

I do not play hunter and I do not know how it works on MoP but it should be pretty easy to test Chimera dmgs.

Tooltip says it does 265% weapon ranged damage (as Nature dmg, so bypass armor) + 6k (around) bonus.
I asked to a random Hunter he said his "Character Stats" shows "26k-33k" ranged dmg (avarage is 29,5k)
so it should be around : (29,5k*2.65) + 6k = 84k not-crit on dummy
But his Chimera does 200k not-crit on Dummy

unless I missed something this means Chimera is bugged at the moment, obviously my calculations might be wrong because I do not have an Hunter Character

The tooltip before was bugged. It showed 265% weapon damage, but a hotfix had been done that increased chimera shot damage by 50% (see link).

The tooltip was recently updated to reflect this change, meaning the new formula is 397.5% weapon damage.

I assume the damage formula broke when tooltip was updated. In either case, staff is aware of the issue.

I played Hunter on Retail during MoP BM should be doing more damage than MM. However that changes in WoD. So take it as you will.

What exactly do you mean by more damage? Do you mean kill command should do more damage than Chimera Shot? I ran the calculations, and when using a Prideful Bow (and ignoring mastery and Bestial Wrath) the hunter would need 653 034 Ranged Attacked Power to do as much damage with Kill Command as he would with Chimera Shot. Of course BM mastery and Bestial Wrath both increase KC damage. So I ran a calculation doubling KC damage. The hunter would still need 86,386 RAP to do as much damage as Chimera Shot. While this is possible to achieve with trinkets and full Prideful, you must remember I DOUBLED KC damage to get to this RAP amount. Simply put, it is HIGHLY unlikely KC will ever hit as hard as Chimera Shot does with a Prideful Bow.

See below for a solid guide which includes formulas from retail. You can do some theorycrafting yourself as well :)

http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forum...ing-questions/

Well, do YOU think MM damage is too high as 120k average chimera crits?

Yes, it is too high and is bugged.

[Evira]

What does BM have to do with this thread, if you're saying hunter itself is bugged then by all means,show how? We were discussing chimera shot,which BMs don't have. It's becoming ridiculous and pointless, too much crying over something new when so many other classes were critting all our asses for that same damage since the beginning of mop. Adjust.

LMAO "critting all our asses for that same damage" do you even understand that other classes (casters) have to casts , use cds and try to CC while hunter does more damage than any class with instant shots, less than 8sec downtime on bursts and has deterrencex2, feign death, scatter, trap, silence and the ability to kite in dead zone while waiting for the bursts cd?LMAO.
And you Avitus need to calm down, i was just laughing at how most of the players chose bm over any other spec because it requieres 0 brain usage and it has bugged pets (yes pets have bugs like being immune to every cc ), seriously , stop being so butthurt.

[lDuranl]

LMAO "critting all our asses for that same damage" do you even understand that other classes (casters) have to casts , use cds and try to CC while hunter does more damage than any class with instant shots, less than 8sec downtime on bursts and has deterrencex2, feign death, scatter, trap, silence and the ability to kite in dead zone while waiting for the bursts cd?LMAO.
And you Avitus need to calm down, i was just laughing at how most of the players chose bm over any other spec because it requieres 0 brain usage and it has bugged pets (yes pets have bugs like being immune to every cc ), seriously , stop being so butthurt.

Wait what? since when pets are inmune to cc?... if thats true then why i see warlocks, priests, hunters, warrios fearing my pets? why im able to cc other hunter with freezing trap or root them with narrow scape... stun them with binding shot or scatter etc.. =w=.. explain

[Evira]

Wait what? since when pets are inmune to cc?... if thats true then why i see warlocks, priests, hunters, warrios fearing my pets? why im able to cc other hunter with freezing trap or root them with narrow scape... stun them with binding shot or scatter etc.. =w=.. explain

Because they tame pets with immunities and said pets don't lose the immunitys when tamed, i already did the report but noone cares : ).

[skullatbash]

The tooltip was recently updated to reflect this change, meaning the new formula is 397.5% weapon damage.

I see, when an hunter link Chimera spell on chat I read 296% so now I asked to an hunter what he reads and he said 397%, weird.

thanks for the correction

[Synx7]

Wait what? since when pets are inmune to cc?... if thats true then why i see warlocks, priests, hunters, warrios fearing my pets? why im able to cc other hunter with freezing trap or root them with narrow scape... stun them with binding shot or scatter etc.. =w=.. explain

Read the bestial wrath tooltip again .
Its troublesome that a huntard player doesnt know crap about how his class works ...

[lDuranl]

Read the bestial wrath tooltip again .
Its troublesome that a huntard player doesnt know crap about how his class works ...

i hope you are not trying to tell me that bestial wrath still has this effect because...

Patch 5.1.0 (27-Nov-2012): Bestial Wrath no longer grants Hunter pets immunity to crowd control effects, and instead now breaks existing crowd control effects when activated. Source

but i was asking about the claim that some pets seem to be " naturally " inmune to crowd control (which i have not tested myself) but if you are talking about something else then let me know because i don't see what are you trying to point out here

[Setis]

i hope you are not trying to tell me that you think bestial wrath still has this effect because...

Patch 5.1.0 (27-Nov-2012): Bestial Wrath no longer grants Hunter pets immunity to crowd control effects, and instead now breaks existing crowd control effects when activated. Source

but i was asking about the claim that some pets seem to be " naturally " inmune to crowd control (which i have not tested myself) but if you are talking about something else then let me know because i don't see what are you trying to point out here

I just found it in the bugtracker and it applys to some spirit beasts.