Had yesterday a dungeon raid
Healer (me): Tank please wait after the second boss i have a quest to free the slaves.
Tank: (Silenced - saying nothing)
We reach boss 1... boss 1 dead...
i repeat
Healer (me): Tank? please wait for me to finish that quest to free the slaves...
Tank again silence rushing to boss 2 and not responding... i try to free some slaves 4-5 and then follow to boss 2.
Boss 2 dead...
Healer (me): Can you god damn wait now? I need to free the slaves because the quest is being finished here.
Dps 1 and 2: Tank please wait for healer, she asked you several times.
Tank ignores me again and runs towards boss 3
I set my trollface on and sleep on the ground... seeing the Tank`s hp drop lower and lower.... dead
Tank suddenly speaks
Tank: "Omg **** you healer! Dumb newbie so slow!"
tank leaves. group....
The End.
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Edited: November 16, 2016
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A different kind of stupid. Not the special one but the dumb one
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Ya happens. It is supersad when it happens when healer says "low mana, wait" and tank rushes.
Yet i can somehow understand such people (in reasonable way), they may want to come and do some dungeon fast (to relax/out of time/etc) and then someone starts to do something dumb, dying alot and slow the progress - when it becomes a swamp it's not interesting or exciting anymore, it becomes just a waste of time. For your last trollmove as a dps in there i would try to votekick you and blacklist.Edited: November 16, 2016
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Not feeling responsible for someone who ignores me asking several times to quick help in the dungeon so i can finish a quest.
Why would i continue healing/assisting someone if it is earned by ignorance.
Playing healer since 1 week now and my raids never wiped if the tank was not a dumbass.
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The thing is, at my point of view, when you are playing in a dungeon as a group, you're supposed to play for the group, not for yourself. Asking to do a quest which you can only complete it inside is perfectly fine, and it would take around two or three minutes, five perhaps at its most. I see here two options, either he doesn't understand english properly, which may already cause problems, or he totally ignored and decided to play for himself only which is worse.
Still, he asked several times to complete a quest and tank kept rushing mobs/bosses, put yourself in his place and tell me what would you feel when you had a chance to finally do something you were probably waiting for a while, and then getting ignored just like that. I would definately do the same.
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I'm with the healer...Tank's a tool, and deserves the blacklist.
Hhell, when I'm on my chars that can practically solo Nexus and running a normal rdf (I get bored), and running with people who are barely 70, I'll stop and say "this quest here" or "anyone need more the tree shard things?" before leaving the group. I could rush through, finish the boss for the emblems, and jet...but they're other people in the group with me, people with goals and a reason for running the instance and it's worthwhile to assist in making sure they meet them too.
I'm even willing to do optional bosses in most HC RDF runs, because why not? I don't need the loot, but most of the time they're needed for an achiev and so few other groups are willing to do them, get your RDF complete and jet seems to be the norm. Take some time and help others. Be a community.
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And people like him/her is why if i would have to choose only one addon to play with,it would be Ignoremore.That addon is like a blessing here.
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Cmon peeps, none of you even tryed to watch from the tanks point of view. Lets imagine you have 10 minutes before you have to go out and you want to do some dungeon. Ofc you will rush it as well. YES, it's 80% tanks fault that he didn't respond, and i hate such rushing tanks. But in the end, as you are supposed to play in group - why does the group HAS to play for 1 healers sake?
Lets see the pure results. All 5 gathered to kill the bosses and get loots+emblems. 2/3 bosses dead, so everything goes fine i guess. In the end healer plays resentful cuz he couldn't finish the quest, doesn't heal the tank, tank leaves. Lets say it was hc rdf Pos with fully 4-5k gs group (means they need it). Now the group has an undone dungeon, noone got the eof, and people who needed the loots from last boss didn't get it either. So in the end this dungeon was just a waste of time + saved cd for nothing, and it happened roughly saying cuz of healers egoism (first of all people came here for dungeon, not for your quests).
When i geared my alts in pos i never called the group to stop. Why? Because you will do this pos dungeon lots of times! Why you couldn't pickup few slaves on move, do same in next run, and end it in third? You will need to do hor just once for eof and anyways need some good gears to finish it.
You HAVE to deal with such people on this server, bcz he is not the only 1. My post is not about how good that tank was - it is only about why do i think that healers last trollmove is unacceptable.Edited: November 17, 2016
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And that's all on the tank in this story, for failing to communicate so the team/group knows what's going on...I'm still 100% with the healer and no blame for letting the tank die and wipe for his (or her) failing. If someone can't spend the 5 seconds to say "rdf bugged, I'm saved" or "I can't, work in 5 min", they're worthless for coordinating in a group. They can carry themselves to the grave.
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It's like "play in group and communicate, but if someone doesn't do that - stop communicating, screw everything and make it worthless" - i can't get this logic.
I'm just trying to be fair, cuz tank actually did his job tanking the bosses (2/3 dead?); in worse scenarios some people just stay afk without saying anything, ninjapool, wipe the group/raid etc - these guys have no excuses. But becoming freak just becouse there are freaks in the world - isn't this stupid?Edited: November 17, 2016
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Tank was given the chance...he betrayed that chance, and got cut as his behavior warranted. I'm courteous until you show you're worthy of less, then I'll be the jerk you deserve to deal with.
edit: Also, nothing says healer wouldn't have finished the instance after the wipe, just wait a few minutes to let him finish the quest he needed too, or say you can't wait.
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I tanked several RHC's with my druid. My first concern, apart from knowing the way and tank properly, was usually playing with others, not for my own interests only, so at the end of it everyone would be happy with our success. Sometimes I had 1 or 2 players asking to do this and that, quest, 1 min afk for WC, etc. and no one had problems with it. Because, fortunately, I and those who I played with had communicated with each other. So yes, at least I can watch from the tank's point of view, as I said, I've been there several times. And by the way, if I had only 10 minutes to play, I would never queue for rdf in the first place, not even 30. Reason of this is obvious, there is always something that could go wrong, we never know, and then someone will leave before the dungeon is done, then everyone will have to queue one more time and start all over again.
The group doesn't obligatorily have to do what one person asks, but if noone cares then when he will have his quest completed? Never? This is when the word "selfishness" comes into play, the tank only played for himself and couldn't care less about anything else. If you're going to use the "other point of views" tactic, then lets imagine it is the tank who have the quest and healer wants to finish the raid as soon as possible. Obviously the tank could finish it without any problems and others would have to wait considering the tank is usually the one who commands the group. It doesn't seem to be fair, does it? And you even dare to call healer as selfish, considering he bothered to support the ignorant tank for 2 bosses already while asking to do something for just 2 minutes?
For me, unacceptable is lack of communication and ignorance. Holy's answer couldn't be more suitable.Edited: November 17, 2016
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Lets say you got some business with someone and big amount of money waits for you in the end. But that someone is a total jerk. Will you swear with him ("I'll be the jerk you deserve to deal with") and ignore the profit, or you will try just to end this business asap and not to cross with that jerk again? Refusing to co-exist with someone you don't like is a kids logic.
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A couple emblems and some gold isn't a "big amount of money" in a lost business deal...and it isn't something that's going to be un-obtainable if you pass this opportunity up. How much is a point of honor, or a stand for principle, worth? I'd say well more than a minor repair bill and a missed chance at a few emblems. If you're going for your RHC Frosts, you just run another RHC, you may have wasted 20-30 min...and there's plenty of others you shouldn't be locked to yet. If you're going for Triumphs...well, they're worth less than the Frosts. Your analogy is flawed from that perspective...and from another, it takes COMMUNICATION to make a deal...of which, there was none.
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ALO GUYS, i'm not trying to defend the tank. Everything i wrote is that from my point of view Holyhorror with his last move IS NOT ANY BETTER THAN TANK.
Why do i insist on that? Because his action affected 3d side which are 3 dpses. I don't think they either cared if healer does quest or not. They came there to do dungeon/get loots/emblems.
HOLYHORROR PURPOSELY WIPED THE GROUP WHICH CAUSED TANK LEAVING. HOLYHORROR WAS THE ONE WHO MOVED TO THE PERSONAL SHOWDOWN WITH TANK WITHOUT CARING ABOUT REMAINING PEOPLE IN GROUP. HIS REASON WAS "BECOUSE THIS GUY IS JERK", BUT IN THE END HE ENDED SAME JERK AS TANK IMO. AS A DPS IN THERE I WOULD TREAT EQUALY BAD TO BOTH TANK AND HOLY.Edited: November 17, 2016
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