Retail...is it worth?

[Skoobydoo]

So all you have is indeed "muh feels"? Because all the things you're listing would happen anyways, it just would take time. On Icecrown especially it would already have happened even if people didn't get a single item out of their donations. The fact you keep having to point out "months" just shows the real issue is your personal sense of accomplishment is based on "I have, they don't." You having it doesn't matters, because someone else got it in another way or faster than you. How do you deal with the fact that something you might have tried for months to get could drop to someone else on their very first try? Are you going to rage about how that's unfair, about how you put oh so much effort and they got it so easily too?


But it does affects the game play, as Jim would explain to you. It might not be a mechanical advantage, but it still affects it. Simply playing the game isn't enough for most of the players, they also want to look good. It's the very reason so many people freak out over transmogrification. People feel accomplished if they wear a skin they like or if they can spam that annoying emote over and over. It can be more important to lose looking good than to win with a default skin.


And he's correct. But you, with your "it's just cosmetic," can't see it and are part of the problem.

overwatch is FPS you cant even see your char but i guess the way you look effect you because...you say so?who the hell is jim and why do we have to care what he say?also why dont you go ask your jim about his opinion of cash shop ingame that sell bis gear see what he will say about it?
"take time" is a key word here it can take you forever to get shadowmoure or you may never get it ingame.but on other hand someone who dont even know his rotation can just buy it form the shop.and guess what everytime someone is looking for DPS they will take him because he is 6500 gs i am 5900 gs dont mater i have put way more time into the game then him, but i guess in your eyes that dont effect my gameplay.i understand warmane is a business and you have to make profit thats ok,but plss dont try to lie to yourself and everyone else and point a finger into others.
you make it sound like the way you look in overwatch have bigger impact of the gameplay then buying shadowmoure? W T F !!!!!!! when you buy shadowmoure you dont only get bis weapon if the game you also get the loot of it as well.so you get way strongs and get the cool look ,but i guess that also dont effect your gameplay right?

[Obnoxious]

overwatch is FPS you cant even see your char but i guess the way you look effect you because...you say so?who the hell is jim and why do we have to care what he say?someone share his opinion and we all have to agree with it....because reasons.....also why dont you go ask your jim about his opinion of cash shop ingame that sell bis gear see what he will say about it?

Because psychology says so. Look it up.

"take time" is a key word here it can take you forever to get shadowmoure or you may never get it ingame.but on other hand someone who dont even know his rotation can just buy it form the shop.and guess what everytime someone is looking for DPS they will take him because he is 6500 gs i am 5900 gs dont mater i have put way more time into the game then him, but i guess in your eyes that dont effect my gameplay.i understand warmane is a business and you have to make profit thats ok,but plss dont try to lie to yourself and everyone else and say " it does not effect you".

You don't need to keep confirming what I said... The fact some PUG would refuse you because of your GS says nothing. PUGs don't want time played, they want higher GS. That would be true even if people hadn't donated for items and that's the problem with PUGs. It would be great if you could start your own groups that don't require 6.5k, no? I mean, you for sure would refuse anyone with that GS, as they might have got something without the same personal effort as you, and that's all that matters - not that you got it with your effort, but that others got it easier.

And I never said it doesn't affects you - look at yourself, it obviously affects you that people have the same as you do. I said it doesn't directly affects your game play, as all your points not only would happen anyways over time, but they can be dealt with skill or investment to get the same gear as them. The effect it has on the game play isn't because they got something with coins, but because they have it in the first place.

you make it sound like the way you look in overwatch have bigger impact of the gameplay then buying shadowmoure? W T F !!!!!!! when you buy shadowmoure you dont only get bis weapon if the game you also get the loot of it as well.

No, I sound like both have impact, in different ways, and your defense of lootboxes would already be sad on its own, but gets worse when you try to make a parallel with our Marketplace, just to then say I am the one doing that - you didn't forget you were the one bringing it up, did you?

[Skoobydoo]

@Obnoxious

i fundamentally disagree with everything you say.as gamer i want having more money IRL to have minimal impact of the performance ingame.selling loot boxes with cometics items only is just that.selling bis gear in shop is not.
all the other stuff about encouraging gambling and such is not something i care.i play games to have fun and entertain myself not to try and make the world better place or save every addicted gambler from his addiction.
the idea people not to play retail WOW because of the loot boxes blizzard have in overwatch,a whole different game, is same as telling people " dont buy made in germany products because they start WW2 and they are the bad guys"

[Obnoxious]

@Obnoxious

i fundamentally disagree with everything you say.as gamer i want having more money IRL to have minimal impact of the performance ingame.selling loot boxes with cometics items only is just that.selling bis gear in shop is not.
all the other stuff about encouraging gambling and such is not something i care.i play games to have fun and entertain myself not to try and make the world better place or save every addicted gambler from his addiction.

It's fine that you disagree, as long as you realize your opinion doesn't changes reality - until people start refusing to play with you because you didn't get your items with coins, your game play isn't being directly affected by the Marketplace, it's being directly affected by you not meeting the standards set by the people you want to join; how people got the items is an indirect factor, as they could have higher GS than you without ever using a single coin.

the idea people not to play retail WOW because of the loot boxes blizzard have in overwatch,a whole different game, is same as telling people " dont buy made in germany products because they start WW2 and they are the bad guys"

It's a good thing no one said that, besides you now. All he said is that he has principles and refuses to support that sort of developer. But the very fact you'd use an incoherent example as that to make a parallel just further shows you can't tell the difference and are just part of the problem.

[Skoobydoo]

It's fine that you disagree, as long as you realize your opinion doesn't changes reality - until people start refusing to play with you because you didn't get your items with coins, your game play isn't being directly affected by the Marketplace, it's being directly affected by you not meeting the standards set by the people you want to join; how people got the items is an indirect factor, as they could have higher GS than you without ever using a single coin.


It's a good thing no one said that, besides you now. All he said is that he has principles and refuses to support that sort of developer. But the very fact you'd use an incoherent example as that to make a parallel just further shows you can't tell the difference and are just part of the problem.

more like your own reality.the fact you claim geting bis gear from shop have no impact of the gameplay just show how deep in the sand your head is.
if you are looking for a reason not to suppose someone is very easy you can find one for any game or company.
the problem you are talking about is not even existing as far as i know no one have ruined his life because of overwatch loot boxes.it seems to me like you are looking for a problem where it does not exist.blizzard with overwatch have made a business model that have minimal impact on my gameplay and make them money.the is a reason for me to support them not the other way around.

[Jakkre]

@Obnoxious

i fundamentally disagree with everything you say.as gamer i want having more money IRL to have minimal impact of the performance ingame.selling loot boxes with cometics items only is just that.selling bis gear in shop is not.
all the other stuff about encouraging gambling and such is not something i care.i play games to have fun and entertain myself not to try and make the world better place or save every addicted gambler from his addiction.

Because of customers that have a mindset like you, games like Battlefront 2 even exist.
You should start asking yourself what you, as a customer, want to support and what not.

the idea people not to play retail WOW because of the loot boxes blizzard have in overwatch,a whole different game, is same as telling people " dont buy made in germany products because they start WW2 and they are the bad guys"

Thats a pretty bad comparison.
Its much rather like that: Don't buy a product from a German company that used to produce weapons for the nazis in the second world war.
Whats bad about this attitude?

And don't get me wrong on this. I'm not comparing the nazis with Blizzard here. I'm just taking your example.

Also, I never claimed that I stopped playing on retail because of Overwatch. I stopped playing there because I consider WoW as overpriced.
The loot boxes in Overwatch are only the tip of the iceberg.

[Skoobydoo]

Because of customers that have a mindset like you, games like Battlefront 2 even exist.
You should start asking yourself what you, as a customer, want to support and what not.


Thats a pretty bad comparison.
Its much rather like that: Don't buy a product from a German company that used to produce weapons for the nazis in the second world war.
Whats bad about this attitude?

And don't get me wrong on this. I'm not comparing the nazis with Blizzard here. I'm just taking your example.

Also, I never claimed that I stopped playing on retail because of Overrwatch. I stopped playing there because I consider WoW as overpriced.
The loot boxes in Overwatch are only the tip of the iceberg.

i guess you are unaware but b2 removed their loot boxes and they have the warmane business model.you get the delux edition and get extra guns that you have to spend hundreds of hours to unlock ingame aka you pay them money and they give you bis gear.guess you miss that part from the game tho and focus only at the pre-release model.seems to me customers know exactly what they want and when to draw the lane on something they dont want.

yes you already said its overpriced,you also give example how faction change is 30$ on retail way too overpriced,only you fail to see warmane faction price is exactly the same.

[Jakkre]

i guess you are unaware but b2 removed their loot boxes and they have the warmane business model.you get the delux edition and get extra guns that you have to spend hundreds of hours to unlock ingame aka you pay them money and they give you bis gear.guess you miss that part from the game tho and focus only at the pre-release model.seems to me customers know exactly what they want and when to draw the lane on something they dont want.

At some point even the least skeptical customer notice a rip off.

yes you already said its overpriced,you also give example how faction change is 30$ on retail way too overpriced,only you fail to see warmane faction price is exactly the same.

Warmane has no monthly sub fee and no xpacs that need to be bought. Also faction change can be purchased with points.

[Obnoxious]

more like your own reality.the fact you claim geting bis gear from shop have no impact of the gameplay just show how deep in the sand your head is.

When you either can't read what I type or purposefully ignore it to create your own version, there's nothing else to be added. But the psychology I mentioned earlier also covers your denial.

[Skoobydoo]

When you either can't read what I type or purposefully ignore it to create your own version, there's nothing else to be added. But the psychology I mentioned earlier also covers your denial.

wtf are you even talking about at this point?what psychology?what denial?you log in overwatch queue few games log out,if you have some extra money you dont care about get few boxes maybe some cool skin will drop,if you dont well there is ingame currency that let you unlock new skins.regardless of all this your char will be exactly as strong as if someone else have all the skins in the world.gaming is simple stop trying to make it complicated and make **** up.

[Obnoxious]

wtf are you even talking about at this point?what psychology?what denial?you log in overwatch queue few games log out,if you have some extra money you dont care about get few boxes maybe something cool will drop,if not well there is ingame currency intime you can unlock new skins.gaming is simple stop trying to make it complicated and make **** up.

The denial of the fact that the only true direct impact someone else donating for gear really has is the envy for them getting something you don't have or getting it easier than you did.

But yes, there's also the denial that lootboxes are lootboxes, no matter if Battlefront 2 or Overwatch, although that wasn't the one I meant.

[Skoobydoo]

The denial of the fact that the only true direct impact someone else donating for gear really has is the envy for them getting something you don't have or getting it easier than you did.

But yes, there's also the denial that lootboxes are lootboxes, no matter if Battlefront 2 or Overwatch, although that wasn't the one I meant.

so if me and john have exactly the same playtime on our chars,but he have shadowmoure from the store the day he hit lv 80 and i dont and he 1 shot this have no impact on my gameplay?i am not siting dead on the ground after been 1 shoted all this is in my mind and i am envy of him because he can buy the weapon and i dont?

also look http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary this is my armory as someone who have buy SW and wrathful set with coins i am not envy on other people who have it.i can tell you the impact of the gameplay is huge.you log in day 1 queue arena or bg and pwn people who have play for months because you bis gear.

wtf do you mean lootboxes are lootboxes?i cant understand your point?whats wrong with them when they have no impact of the power of your champion?

[Sixtyninee]

8:00am here, good thing it's never too early for popcorn.

[Obnoxious]

so if me and john have exactly the same playtime on our chars,but he have shadowmoure from the store the day he hit lv 80 and i dont and he 1 shot this have no impact on my gameplay?i am not siting dead on the ground after been 1 shoted all this is in my mind and i am envy of him because he can buy the weapon and i dont?

How much play time? Is it enough for him to have got the same gear by playing in optimal circumstances - making it so by your own metric he "deserves" it?
How much play time on each character? If he has ten characters with play time spread, he also deserves it, by your own metric?
Play time where? On our servers? On retail? Does his play time on retail not count? Why wouldn't it? What if he had it on retail? What if he got it already on a different character and wanted to buy on that one?
Did he use something only available to him because he donated? Is he the only person ever capable of beating you? And he could only beat you because of donated gear? Could he beat you otherwise as well?
And lastly, who says you're entitled to beating him in the first place? Is your gameplay centered on beating this guy, who possibly could beat you anyways?

also look http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary this is my armory as someone who have buy SW and wrathful set with coins i am not envy on other people who have it.i can tell you the impact of the gameplay is huge.you log in day 1 queue arena or bg and pwn people who have play for months because you bis gear.

Would they all (somehow) be completely unbeatable if it wasn't for people who donate for gear?

Again, the issue isn't the gear but the fact some people get it easier than you. The gear already exists, no one is getting access to anything unavailable to others, and you're no one to dare saying who deserves what.

wtf do you mean lootboxes are lootboxes?i cant understand your point?whats wrong with them when they have no impact of the power of your champion?

Of course you can't understand my point, since you're part of the problem.

[Skoobydoo]

Of course you can't understand my point, since you're part of the problem.

the problem you cant even name or give examples for.sound like some illuminati **** to me.