Anyone knows if Herkumi is worth getting over Mirror of Truth, knowing it will be paired with TaJ and 4pT10 ?
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Hello! Yes, Herkumi will be more useful, especially if you are far from bis, compensating from the lack of haste from hands/black/wrist, and diminishing return is lower since you are missing these items.
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Can someone help me out decide on what weapon to use? Im always low on dps in icc 25nm and 10man hc. can someone helped me out pick whcih weapon to use or gears? this is my current setup, ANY HELP IS MUCH APPRECIATED THANKS ALL!!!
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Str - 2071
Agi - 658
Sta - 1967
Dmg - 2253-2693
Hit - 319
Crit - 48.56%
Expertise - 21
GEAR
HEAD - SANCTIFIED LIGTHSWORN HELMET (NM)
NECK - PENUMBRA PENDANT (NM)
SHOULDERS - SANCTIFIED LIGTHSWORN SHOULDERPLATES (NM)
CLOAK - SHADOWVAULT'S SLAYER CLOAK (HC)
CHEST - SANCTIFIED LIGTHSWORN BATTLEPLATE (NM)
WRIST - UMBRAGE ARMBANDS (NM)
HANDS - FLESHRENDERING GAUNTLETS (HC)
BELT - ASTRYLIAN'S SUTURED CINCH (NM)
LEGS - SANCTIFIED LIGTHSWORN LEGPLATES (NM)
FEET - APOCALPYSE'S ADVANCE (NM)
RING 1 - SEAL OF MANY MOUTHS (HC)
RING 2 - SIGNET OF TWILIGHT (NM)
TRINK 1 - SHARPENED TWILIGHT SCALE (NM)
TRINK 2 - TINY ABOMINATION IN A JAR (NM)
LIBRAM - LIBRAM OF THREE TRUTHS
WEAPON - CITADEL ENFORCER'S CLAYMORE (HC)
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Easiest upgrade would be Bryntroll HC (though may have to bash some pugs head to get it.) for you.
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If you are not pugging, Oathbinder is your best choice, but keep in mind that doesnt mean your dps will increase
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Go for Shadow`s Edge
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sorry for pumping this but the links for the talents/specs are broken. the site is not working anymore
can someone link me the standard aura mastery talent tree?
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https://wotlk.evowow.com/?talent#sVV...bIuhdIfsu:G0om
Here.
The 3 available points are personal preference. Improved Blessing of Might, Vindication, Seal of Command, Guardian's Favor, etc. Depends on what you're doing and what you want to provide for your group.
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A Paladin with worse gear than me from the guild had the same dps as me (bis offsets, sm) and he basically had 1000 agility because he was unlucky with items and got a bunch of agi items. So I guess the agi bis list is the way to go. Too bad I got winding sheet (Im mostly pvp’ing)
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Most of the items are interchangeable with their strength counterparts. Having one of those slots with a strength item won't break you until you're able to replace it.
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On this site: https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/retribution_paladin/#
Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy beats Fleshrending Gauntlets in dps if everything else is BiS as standard.
Why is that?
When I do some small calculations I come to the fact that somehow 90 armp + 58~ agi together is better than 205 AP ((102 STR)) (talent + kings + trueshot aura included)
That is the only reason I can see. I have been trying to understand why Flesh is seen as BiS for hours now with the help of this simulator, but I just can't.
This is my export link:
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/retr...7w9fwOXoixLw==Edited: January 21, 2025
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It's hard to say, especially given it's a sim site devoted to classic, which has had changes VS original wotlk. Things like the glyph that enables hand of reckoning to be used in a dps rotation, as it removes the taunt. Also that plenty of people on classic wotlk seemingly didn't seem to understand that agility only offers melee crit, not magic, and what that means for a Ret - or that Blizzard changed how the stat functions to just give flat crit.
The latter point makes me suspicious of these sims, because of all the sims I'd seen of original wotlk weren't quite so agility itemization heavy, because the RNG involved in more AP/STR focused can once-in-while net higher dps than a more CRIT/AGI focused build, which affects the outcome of sims due to permutations over tens of thousands of possible outcomes of boss dps.
The information provided here is information that was based on all the sims and information we had prior to classic existing, and this sim is for classic, and that is the only sort of reasons I can think of in conflicting results in the sims.
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Yeah, any sim that was created to help simulate in classic could do some diffrent math than what exists on warmane.
But how to know which simulator is the closests if you don't know how warmane is coded in detail?
I also now tried Rawr 2.3.23 and it says that:
Anub'ar Stalker's Gloves and Sindragosa's Cruel Claw are the best hand and neck.
These choices combined with a 10 STR 10 HASTE gem in every yellow socket for 4 AGI bonus. (Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak, Anub'ar Stalker's Gloves, Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance, Signet of Twilight)
One 20 EXP red gem also somewhere, but I think thats standard.
I guess we will never know.
Another funny thing is that WoWsims.github wants the priority for best DPS to be: HoW > JoW > CS > DS > Exorsim > Consecration
While Rawr 2.3.23 wants it to be> HoW > JoW > DS > CS > Consecration > Exorsim
Thanks for responding btw, but do you have anything you can debunk with by knowing this server more than most people or is it just up to "the math" to be very precise according to how the Warmane server works?Edited: January 21, 2025
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IIRC, the reason for HoW leading in the rotation for Classic is that they changed it to proc seals.
CS vs DS priority in a sim typically would've depended on whether you have the T10 set bonus. DS would take priority *with* the bonus because you want to enable getting procs as much as possible. I don't know if there was a change here regarding seals proccing damage, much in the way that HoW changed - as DS would only proc certain seal components on certain targets, with the cleave targets not getting the same benefits as the primary target.
Why Exorcism overtakes Consecration, I don't know. Perhaps it changed due to other spells being changed, particularly the glyph for Hand of Reckoning replacing the Consecration glyph?
What I mentioned above is purely Classic WotLK vs OG WotLK. As far as how things may work *differently* here due to differences via private server scripting, it's hard to say. I believe everything works as it should, and if not, they are minor discrepancies that nobody has really noticed.
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