Please, when you try to bring your superior retail knowledge alteast try to be a minimum credible, the world first lk 25hc was downed with 5% buff, so i doubt the world first 10normal went down with only 20%. Just saying.
Icc 10normal isn't that hard if your players are competent and you come in with a full ToGC gear. Especially now that the raid has been out for years, most people are used to the boss fights, which is completely different from when the raid just went out.
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Opinions wont really help here. Inform yourself!
Some reliable sources:
http://www.wowprogress.com/rating.tier10_25
http://www.wowprogress.com/rating.tier10_10
http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/4530 (Dates of ICC10nm kills)
http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/4597 (Dates of ICC25nm kills)
http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/4583 (Dates of ICC10hc kills)
http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/4584 (Dates of ICC25hckills)
Release dates of the buff:
5% - 2/3/2010
10% - 30/3/2010
15% - 27/4/2010
20% - 25/5/2010
25% - 22/6/2010
30% - 20/7/2010
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=73762/s...wrynn#comments
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Patch_3.x.x
=> Paragon first world LK25hc kill and the only guild with 5%-buff active.
=> Its possible to do ICC10/25 normal more or less easily with ToGC gear
Paragon killed LK25hc without any buff and 24-man it after the first 3 shadow traps. They were all near full BiS by then and farmed ICC over 5-6 months:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...5-without-buff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPd0A6iGBSg
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An important sidenote here. Those guilds were the top notch and min/max'ing every little ****. When comparing the top guilds on retail and on warmane, I can say conviced, that no one here will be able to clear ICChc with nothing less than a 10%+ buff (assuming everything works, no donation and blizzlike progression gearing)
My personal opinion:
30% from the start will be too much, 0% will be way to low.
Just do it like blizz. Increase the buff every month by 5%. The competition on first realm and the motivation will be much higher like this.Edited: August 6, 2015
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Thats probably how its going to happen, the buff will be gradually introduced per month, there may be a delay before the first 5% are added
As for the guilds, i wouldn't worry about the quality of those. Some of the oldest guilds and players will be returning just for Lordaeron and the realm first raid race
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Wanna name some of them? I heard some rumors, but not sure about it :D
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I don't think it should go all the way up to 30%, I think that's a bit much, I think going up every few weeks by 5% until it gets to 15% - 25% would be best.
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Paragon exploited . their kill did not count.
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The buff was introduced between 3.3.5 and 3.3.5a as I understood it - and was known as the 'great nerfing of ICC'' ive seen 1st hand the improved mechanics of icc on lordareon and making more blizzlike includes not having the availability of the buff. Make people work for their loots - it will certainly wake up guilds like Dignity and ecore to how its meant to be played not just ígnore mechanics cause they're BIS and can heal through it. Having an Empowered flame orb hit my BIS shaman for 72k (as there was no other toons to soak) means regardless of gear - you're gonna have to work.
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I think we should do the gradual buff. I think this is the best option to maintain the spirit of a blizzlike server + progressive realm.
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Honestly, I'd completely disable it. Sure it would make it hardcore but that's the point of this server right? So what if not many people run around using ICC gear? They're not supposed to . ICC is supposed to be the end game for this realm, might aswell make it the true vanilla experience.
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Right.. a lot of fun playing then if no one can down a single thing since according to the posts above, even top world guilds had big troubles downing even with the smallest of buffs.
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That would be for ICC25 HC.
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It does not matter if the core is 3.3.5, they will release content progressively since it would be fakken ******ed to make ppl install vanilla and patch up everytime the staff progressed the realm to the next patch. Dont u see that?
Or would you rather have everyone scrap the idea of building on the 3.3.5 core and go back to scripting ALL OF THE PATCHES SINCE VANILLA?
You dont want progressive, then dont play on lordaeron then, its that easy.
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That buff came when kids started playing wow and got gifted lvls. They became lvl 80 in 2 days and had no clue how to play the game, so the 30% buff gave some guilds a way to boost low-dps raids to endgame so they would get hooked and continue onto Cata, and as we all know, Cata is the easiest expansion of them all...
Everything was quite hard until blizzard nerfed the game to attract younger players...
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http://wow.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=21498
It was Ensidia and the Saronite Bomb bug was fixed at that point
Edit: There are even videos out there from the kill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeVCw3hVgQ
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ill-by-ParagonEdited: August 13, 2015
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I think it should be permanently disabled or at MAX capped at 10%, it will make for an epic experience for the End game, which probarly also is when the server is going to die out, so better make it epic and last a while longer!
