Personally, I'd like to say here that the entire realms of Cataclysm would be beyond devastated if you did this action. Not everyone can donate, and with the coins you all granted us after the wipe, we spent them on the realms we mained, most of which were Cataclysm. To those that can not donate, much like myself, updating the realm would make all our efforts of gearing worthless; and equal feelings towards the time spent. Knowing that finance is an issue, it shouldn't be putting blame on a realm that has been around for a few years. You opened MOP, and did nothing with it. Cataclysm players have mentioned for you to fix things, some things were fixed. Knowing there's so much to be fixed across realms, time is a given.
But if you do go through with updating Cata, grant coins again to users of Cataclysm. It's the only fair action there is if you don't want to upset hundreds of players as well as lose more of a community than you already lost when the server was deleted a second time after Hermes took over.
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Edited: January 14, 2016
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I don't exactly know where to start. Here goes nothing I guess...
Upon reading the future prospects portion of Cataclysm servers, I can't help but notice this quote: "our development team is stretched too thin to achieve the desired quality across 3 expansions." And I'm here thinking: you can't be serious. I will admit that I, as a player, don't know exactly how resources are used and delegated at Warmane, but I do have the ability to notice the results of said resources being used, as per the announcements section of the main page. And it is very clear that resource delegation was aimed purely at the development and maintenance of Lordaeron. So I took the liberty of doing some calculations for us to help put this in perspective. And it appears that Lordaeron is mentioned 71.34% of the time, Mists of Pandaria 21.05%, and Cataclysm? A whopping 7.6%. And of that 7.6%, the last mention being on July 6th, 2015. That is over half a year ago... (and no mention of Mists of Pandaria since November 3rd, for those wondering). AND not to mention the last changelog update for Cataclysm being from May 20th. (devlog mentions something about class fixes for Cataclysm on November 13th, but NO implementation was seen, at least from Warsong's point of view.)
So lets get back to that quote, how is any of this indicative of resources being spread too thin? Financial resources maybe, but certainly not development resources. But that last part is key, people want development on their respective expansions. This is why Lordaeron caps out every day at peak times, I mean seriously, the last time Lordaeron was updated it was jam packed with 400 shiny new fixes...
The population dip on Cataclysm and even Mists of Pandaria are a direct result of injecting Lordaeron with this much steroids. But despite that...despite ALL of that...people still manage to log in on Cataclysm. 450 players or so at peak times (for Warsong)? That's 450 players that still have some hope for the future well-being of Cataclysm, and that's not to mention those vampires that log in at 3:00 AM when there's like 40 people online. Let us also not forget our brothers at Neltharion, who have the same vision.
We play Cataclysm because we love Cataclysm.
Je suis Cata
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Kinda new here (3 days old) But why not have a rolling server.
Now hear me out.
Upgrade Cata to MoP
Give fixes to mop for say 6 months
Then relaunch the server as cata and give that one fixes for 6 months.
Rinse and repeat. It will even out the work load for the Dev's And everyone wins.
As for doners ect, Im sure a system can be put in place so they do not loose out.
Just a though, I like both Cata and MoP (Love the MoP disc priest, only way I ever healed in my 9 years of WoW)
Just a thought (ps LOVING the cata community so far, shame dungeon finder dont work (Or isnt used lol)
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Right, because losing all our progress is like no issue at all
But dont worry they wont upgrade cata anymore, cata will stay
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I like cata, but look at the situation objectively:
You have a finite amount of resources, and a flagship server Lordaeron. Lordaeron is considered to be a flagship server primary due to its popularity; one update to Lordaeron affects 3 realms directly, and may affect all servers indirectly depending if said update is applicable to all realms being streamlined to the same core. All servers being on the same core has been a goal since the original Lordaeron still existed.
Fast forward to now. You have a limited staff with limited resources and servers that cater to 3 expansions that all need a lot of work. How do you prioritize? Popularity.
Why is cata so unpopular? Your PVE community has abandoned you. Fire Lands was fun, Dragon Soul was terrible, you can call this a subjective opinion all you want, all one needs to do is look at the retail subs during dragon soul, and look at who stuck it out during the expansion...pvpers, which is largely what warmane cata servers are now. 95% of your PVE community has gone back to wotlk or mop for a very good reason.....cata raids are awful (working or not) mop and wotlk raids are more enjoyable (working or not)..this isn't conjecture, its been beaten to death time and time again on the Blizzard forums.
Which is why the no growth cata servers are left with 1 of 2 choices: stick with what you have with no intention of updates for the foreseeable future, or move on.
It was a **** expansion, prove me wrong.
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Only thing that Blizzard did smart on Cata expansion was Transmog , Archaeology and Vial of the Sands ofc :D
Tbh WOTLK was the best expansion for most of old WoW players and that expansion introduced mof**** Arthas Teh Lich King ,a very interesting lore to follow because most of Warcraft players started on vanila WoW after the WC3 Frozen Throne and needed to wait 4 almost 5 damn years to see whats up with Arthas and all that sh** .... and lore about the Titans....a f*** choppa to ride ....all that things are still fun to see after 5 years .
Don't get me wrong I know Cata servers got a lot of ppl that like Cata expansion more than WOTLK but that was a mistake done from the develover from the start ...rushing things and not working on 1 expansion after another , from WOTLK to new expansions develop;/
But at the end WOTLK servers will be updated to some of the newer expansions in future and that's the fact .....if not, the Warmane dies eventually coz ppl will get bored and quit from playing the same expansion after achieving all that is possible in WOTLK ;/
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As far as i know the PVE community didn't abandon cata because the raids were ****, its because after the moltdown we lost everything and beating all the same bosses for a 1000000th time didn't seem fun. So this made transfering to MoP (where most of us already had characters) a better solution. At least thats what I and my guild did since we cleared all the available cata (and previously on Nelth wotlk) content.
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Rewind back before Moltdown and you will see that Cataclysm was a FORMIDABLE contender when it came to the popularity of each expansion. (And this was post-MoP release.)
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Still, the community stood for cataclysm so cataclysm will stay. Lots of errors were committed during development but its nothing new, Molten rushed the update from 4.0.6, where lots of things worked, specially deepholm and twilight highlands, to 4.3.4 which broke everything again, then Molten launched MoP which were in a really raw aspect, but those errors do not justify another one that would be erasing cataclysm (or even worse as suggesting one cata realm to exist every 6 months then turn it into mop, and back and forth, really wtf was that suggestion?), I would go even more far and say that Lordaeron was another development error, as it turned out to be a leech server, the team focused on something that gave 6% of return, how right was that? And now, what are they waiting for to implement the Lordaeron core into Ragnaros and Deathwing? Updates and fixes would then benefit 3 realms in real time, 2 of them that I believe can give more return than Lordaeron
Cataclysm is important, in my view, as the last stand between the more user-friendly UI and mechanics (i cant even think on buying quivers and arrows again, ugh) with the old talents, which some people prefer, and MoP which brought us really great changes, which other people prefer, and having choice is never too much
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Indeed, with the new world flying, rdf system, arrowless quivers, new npc mechanics, and much more. This version is by far the best of both new and old world.
How can you compare questing experience at Northrend with Cata realms ? I missed the jousting while flying (space bar spam) on a griffin quest, and I missed the swift seahorse mount.
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Molten ****ed up by releasing mop, then moltdown, where they couldve scrapped mop, tjey decided to keep it, then instead of fixing what they had they just had to go and release lordaeron, i mean, seriously, did you ever sit and think through? Now you are focussing 1 realm, ignoring the second and half assing the 3rd? Now you want to take nr 2 of the 3 and remove it, so we play wow like 1,3? I can see the logic there, it doesnt make sense at all to do 1,2 or 2,3 so people that get tired of wotlk is just going to jump to mop, not wishing to play cata at all? GG once again.
Let me tell you what you shouldve done.
1. After moltdown you should have scrapped mop.
2. Focus on fixing what you had eg. Cata and wotlk.
3. Focus on getting the AT cores in.
4. After the first 2 exp were finished then you could start work on mop.
5. Make 2 wotlk servers.
6. Make 1 cata server.
7. Make 1 mop server.
Like i said, thats what you shouldve done. Now you are struggling saying you want to kill cata due to the fact that it has the least players, well check which exp has gotten the least attention in the past 18 months, spend the time you did on mop amd lordaeron rather on cata and then check the playerbase.
Its your choice what you gonna do with cata but i think its safe to say its doomned allready. You just waiting for the player base to drop to such a point as to justify killing it.
Well rather do what ever you are planning sooner than later, because were waisting time now.
Kill cata if tou want to amd stop asking the community because you didnt really care when we asked for updates, so why now?
If you want to port cata to mop then do it the same as moltdown, give our coins back so we can get atleast 2 classes up and running, or give us a package then, bis pvp/pve main set, 1 epic heal/tank/dps weapon, 1 epic mount, 100k gold. And 50 coins, and 2 max proffs with full recipe's,and i mean this is the smallest size package people from cata will go with. And that will be the playwrs that are willing to go over, you will still lose about 60% of cata players. Or...... Just let go of lordaeron for a month or two, fix some **** on cata, like all areans and 1 bg, then fix 1 raid eg bwd, and give the pvers 2 dungeons. Its really not that much to ask, its weather you find it worthy of your attention.
Oh and when we go mop, pls disae pvp power, its gay, and i loooove 80k icelances on me in bg.
Then you will see people move over.
Till then, ask and we will feel free to give you a honnest opinion.
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This is really a crazy idea somewhat,but I would like to throw it out there.
Based on the comments here,and on the Cata realm threads...many do not seem to want to lose the realm. It was said that if Cata lives, it wouldn't get updates any more often than it has now...which is fast approaching a year ( May 2015 was the last) , I do believe however what others have said, If cata was repaired and regularly maintained, the population might be much better. At some point we are all hoping, the Lorderon core would be ported to cata (warsong should just be merged with Neltherion) and then at least all old content would be available.
But here is my question. Once warmane can boast the best WotLK private server....where is the next area of growth? Is warmane forever limited to being just a badass WotLK server with nothing serious to offer? I dont think so. Noone puts that much effort into a project just to reach a higher step and stop.
The answer is simple..the next step.. is Cata. Eventually warmane will have the most solid WotLK experince available, so why not move on to adding to that the best CATA experience available. Im not saying this is or should happen anytime in the near future, but what I am saying is that is rising to be the best private server on the net means offfering the best and most complete experiences, why consider totally removing an extire ezpansion and focus efforts to move from 3 to 5, only to come back and decide at a later time when WotLK is done that focus will be given to creating a Lorderon-esqe quality CATA server as the next big endeavor of the server?
So here is my crazy idea. How about considering offering some type of deal...where donors to the Cata realms can input their coins specifically to realm development rather than an item. Lets say I donate and get 67 coins. I buy " realm development and fixes" with 27 coins, and then spend the other 40 on items. Of course on your end all money taken in is the same and are giving out virtual prizes, but it could be set up that...if within a given month x amount of course were donated for development and fixes, we donators could have at least one, and possibly 2 3 4 or more developers obligated to working on fixes and such for the Cata realm exclusively for the next month. After that, if the donations continues to pay for exclusive development..then so be it.
In this way, you can allow the Cata folks to show how much they care and want to see their realm improved while at the same time possibly increasing donations. At least then we Cata players will have a choice and will be able to throw some of our donations to OUR realm development.
I know its crazy, but yeah. Give us an option to more or less "sponsor" a developer or two to focus on our realm and the benefit is you have a better Cata realm while at the same time having it paid for. We get a better playing experience, you get more income...and in the future a Cata core that has been made better.
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They gave us greendev, he lasted a month, all other donations that was meant for cata was thrown into lord, and it will continue and the layer same will go for mop, warmane doesnt want us, they have 10000 reasons whu we dont deserve updates or devs or fixes, lord is their flagship, they will run it till the end of time, and dont for one moment think mop is safe, cata now, in a years time mop, they didnt save any devs for us last year, and even mop got neglected, now you want to tell me when they kill cata everything is going to change? They gonna leave the flagship and fix mop? Sorry but the last year has opened my eyes a bit.
Point is, cata is dying because of the lack of fixes, were not getting fixes because of lack of players, so there they win allready, they waited a year of holding us on a line, waiting for the numbers to drop because people got tired of no fixes. No the numbers are low, now they want to kill it, why not kill it a year ago? Why lie to is while you knew exactly what was actually going on?
They will kill cata, its just a matter of when.
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I personally dont support transfer from cata to mop. Why? Well there are people on cata including myself who do not donate. So what happens when we upgrade to mop? well the donors get their coins which is fine I suppose but the non-donors get left out in the dark. There is really no incentive for the rest of us that dont donate to lose all of the effort we put in on cata just to lose it, especially without the reimbursement that the donors get.
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Well that's the point of this thread, so you must decide what will be a good enough package for you to go to mop and not quit warmane wow, like I said in my previous posts that also don't support the move from cata to mop, but the fact is they will kill cata, they already did this last year, and they thought we would easily go for the change over which didn't happen, so they will leave us for now, do no updates or maintenance on cata, they will just milk the donors for money to work on lord (and I think its safe to say Lord only). and then make this same suggestion in 6 months time. OR, they will just decide on morning to bite the bullet and close cata down. And I think the latter is the more accurate 1 of the 2. They have been feeding us a bunch of bull**** the last year, promises that never came true, now they say cata is **** because no one plays it but if the maintained it the population would look so much better.
Thing is Kaer said it will not happen, but yet staff reply's to these threads in such a way that it seems they haven't decided yet, so idk whos in charge of this show. That's why I keep replying as to see whats going to happen. I would say rather fix cata and kill mop, then you have 2 back to back expacts. which makes more sense.
