Warcraft movie

[Llane]

i wont waste even 1 cent to watch this "film", since the plot is known for 10+ years. why the **** should i waste time if the only entertainment thing will CG?

Hahahahahahahaha! This made my day, that logic and that hate lol.

[Cenarius]

I would suggest everyone to see the movie, the CGI is flawless and it's set at a nice pace overall.

Gonna put some huge spoilers so don't look at this if you haven't seen the movie and you care enough about spoilers. It's also just my opinion, but I think most will agree (the ones who watched).

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Basically Horde is weaker than Alliance there, they should have set the first movie as the books are.
If not from the very beginning (Legion corrupting orcs and draenei slaughter), they should have at least made the first movie about Horde pillaging Stormwind, claiming parts of the planet for themselves, Alliance forging in Lordaeron could of ended it just as it kind of ended it here.
Medivh winning every fight for humans is a bit too much, especially due to the fact that close to no Horde warchiefs were introduced properly, we saw Kargath and Grommash but they did nothing. I wanted to hear the Warsong clan howl at humans and see them scatter just before being sliced up.
Seems like they put a whole lot of story into only 2 hours, instead of 3 times that.
Also ****ing Gul'dan that does nothing after Medivh stopped casting the incantation instead of joining the fray. He pushed a cage full of humans (most likely fell on Orcs not even the enemy) and that was it. It felt like Horde was full of mindless orcs and that humans were somehow able to get up after being launched 3 meters in the air, as well as lift up a human wearing what seems like 150kg of steel armor.
Hopefully the course of action will be changed for the next movie as well, so that Horde might dominate at least close as much as Alliance did here, but that's kind of unlikely since the story is already set when Horde crumbles and all that's left of it is Thrall's Horde. That being if they will actually follow Thrall's journeys instead of giving Alliance a second movie (invasion of Draenor) which would be disgusting.
Other than the obvious bias towards Alliance, the movie was fun to watch and it held attention perfectly.

[dike]

Hahahahahahahaha! This made my day, that logic and that hate lol.

ritardo is that you?)

[zamboni]

The movie has its cinematic flaws but story wise I felt that they were spot on. CGI was amazing though. Must watch for fans of the lore.

[Deathmastered]

I would suggest everyone to see the movie, the CGI is flawless and it's set at a nice pace overall.

Gonna put some huge spoilers so don't look at this if you haven't seen the movie and you care enough about spoilers. It's also just my opinion, but I think most will agree (the ones who watched).

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Basically Horde is weaker than Alliance there, they should have set the first movie as the books are.
If not from the very beginning (Legion corrupting orcs and draenei slaughter), they should have at least made the first movie about Horde pillaging Stormwind, claiming parts of the planet for themselves, Alliance forging in Lordaeron could of ended it just as it kind of ended it here.
Medivh winning every fight for humans is a bit too much, especially due to the fact that close to no Horde warchiefs were introduced properly, we saw Kargath and Grommash but they did nothing. I wanted to hear the Warsong clan howl at humans and see them scatter just before being sliced up.
Seems like they put a whole lot of story into only 2 hours, instead of 3 times that.
Also ****ing Gul'dan that does nothing after Medivh stopped casting the incantation instead of joining the fray. He pushed a cage full of humans (most likely fell on Orcs not even the enemy) and that was it. It felt like Horde was full of mindless orcs and that humans were somehow able to get up after being launched 3 meters in the air, as well as lift up a human wearing what seems like 150kg of steel armor.
Hopefully the course of action will be changed for the next movie as well, so that Horde might dominate at least close as much as Alliance did here, but that's kind of unlikely since the story is already set when Horde crumbles and all that's left of it is Thrall's Horde. That being if they will actually follow Thrall's journeys instead of giving Alliance a second movie (invasion of Draenor) which would be disgusting.
Other than the obvious bias towards Alliance, the movie was fun to watch and it held attention perfectly.

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Why do you think Horde is weaker? few orcs smORC the patrols of 30 people etc.
The movie is set by the games, not the books. Warcraft1 begins with orcs entering Azeroth and ends with them defeating Stormwind.. But how do they do it? By killing the king. Now, here are changes - there Llane is killed by Garona cus of Guldan, here - cus of king's own will. But the idea most likely will remain the same. Also in the books it's never clearly said at the time that Stormwind falls until Anduin Lothar and Varian Wrynn arrive in Lordaeron. so I do expect the next movie show a little bit of fall of Stormwind and then move on to the next part - the second war.
We did hear it twice btw, the warsong clan howl. Or atleast once. I think in beginning and later on it was, but I might be wrong. Either way, yeah, I expected a bit more of Warlords, but thats not really that much of a problem in the story that I have with it. Medivh was given his true power, him and his destruction were actually nice to see imo. Just as it was nice seeing Khadgar grow.
Yeah, 2 instead of 6, but splitting it in 6 just to put in as many details as possible wouldnt be better. Would be the same.
After Medivh stopped casting the spell? Well, what could Guldan do? He needs Medivh to cast it to get the orcs in, but there was no way for him to help.
And all the beginning is dominated by the Horde, so I'll disagree there. But yeah, 2nd movie I expect to be orcs marching for Lordaeron, seeing first paladins and warlock magic used by more than just one orc, them being defeated, put in camps and being marched upon thru dark portal.

[Cenarius]

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Why do you think Horde is weaker? few orcs smORC the patrols of 30 people etc.
The movie is set by the games, not the books. Warcraft1 begins with orcs entering Azeroth and ends with them defeating Stormwind.. But how do they do it? By killing the king. Now, here are changes - there Llane is killed by Garona cus of Guldan, here - cus of king's own will. But the idea most likely will remain the same. Also in the books it's never clearly said at the time that Stormwind falls until Anduin Lothar and Varian Wrynn arrive in Lordaeron. so I do expect the next movie show a little bit of fall of Stormwind and then move on to the next part - the second war.
We did hear it twice btw, the warsong clan howl. Or atleast once. I think in beginning and later on it was, but I might be wrong. Either way, yeah, I expected a bit more of Warlords, but thats not really that much of a problem in the story that I have with it. Medivh was given his true power, him and his destruction were actually nice to see imo. Just as it was nice seeing Khadgar grow.
Yeah, 2 instead of 6, but splitting it in 6 just to put in as many details as possible wouldnt be better. Would be the same.
After Medivh stopped casting the spell? Well, what could Guldan do? He needs Medivh to cast it to get the orcs in, but there was no way for him to help.
And all the beginning is dominated by the Horde, so I'll disagree there. But yeah, 2nd movie I expect to be orcs marching for Lordaeron, seeing first paladins and warlock magic used by more than just one orc, them being defeated, put in camps and being marched upon thru dark portal.

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Even that first fight with a 'few' orcs beating 30 was won by medivh, correct me if im wrong but there is no actual fight that Orcs won in the end except the one when the Horde ambushes Frostwolf clan and the humans(medivh saves the rest). Even the last fight is kind of a loss because humans managed to stop their reinforcements from coming in and most of them escaped, including the prisoners(medivh again). Also I didn't speak of Gul'dan not finishing the spell for portal opening when Medivh canceled, but Gul'dan not joining into the fray and fighting humans. His powers seem huge, he is able to suck the very life essence of dozens at the same time, his impact on the battle would be huge.
About me mentioning Warsong howl, it's only an example. I wanted to see prized Horde warriors and clans make appearance, at least the ones that were actually there but looked like they have no impact on the battle. The only satisfying scene is when the portal to stormwind closes and humans know they are done for it. Then Lothar going all rambo on a gazillion of orcs and getting out of the first fight that easily, then surviving the fall from gryphon and fighting without any problem as if he just woke up, ultimately beating a fel orc that is known and respected for his battle prowess in his regular form, not to speak of this enhanced form by just sliding and him running straight on it as if he never fought a battle in his life before. I don't know, that was really not what I expected, that is a humiliation of the Horde on every level.
Both Warcraft 1 and the first books follow the First war where Horde enters Stormwind thinking they will be unopposed, gets defeated, Gul'dan saves them and puts Blackhand as supreme warchief, then they use Lothar's absence and the shock of humans from the sudden king's death to finally destroy it and win the First War. You said the idea will most likely remain the same and that orcs will invade Lordaeron. Here we have Stormwind never even attacked, Alliance already formed, what chance does Horde have to ever get past Stormwind now lol?
And what beginning is dominated by Horde? The story of how sad they are for their planet and the scene where Gul'dan drains life from Draenei, then them pillaging villages? Or destroying a garrison? That's about it.
I mean I like the movie a lot, but these things just don't fit right.

[Nasty]

my bday is in a few days, but it won't release here until like the 8th or 10th [depends on the theater]. so some friends n i will go to the dine-in theater at disney where u can order dinner and alcohol while watching the movie :) i don't think i'm going to enjoy the movie as much as i would have if it was more then just orcs vs humans, but nonetheless, i'll be drinking, so it'll get better

[Kemii]

my bday is in a few days, but it won't release here until like the 8th or 10th [depends on the theater]. so some friends n i will go to the dine-in theater at disney where u can order dinner and alcohol while watching the movie :) i don't think i'm going to enjoy the movie as much as i would have if it was more then just orcs vs humans, but nonetheless, i'll be drinking, so it'll get better

I always felt like you were another Gemini.... What day is your birthday?

[Deathmastered]

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Even that first fight with a 'few' orcs beating 30 was won by medivh, correct me if im wrong but there is no actual fight that Orcs won in the end except the one when the Horde ambushes Frostwolf clan and the humans(medivh saves the rest). Even the last fight is kind of a loss because humans managed to stop their reinforcements from coming in and most of them escaped, including the prisoners(medivh again). Also I didn't speak of Gul'dan not finishing the spell for portal opening when Medivh canceled, but Gul'dan not joining into the fray and fighting humans. His powers seem huge, he is able to suck the very life essence of dozens at the same time, his impact on the battle would be huge.
About me mentioning Warsong howl, it's only an example. I wanted to see prized Horde warriors and clans make appearance, at least the ones that were actually there but looked like they have no impact on the battle. The only satisfying scene is when the portal to stormwind closes and humans know they are done for it. Then Lothar going all rambo on a gazillion of orcs and getting out of the first fight that easily, then surviving the fall from gryphon and fighting without any problem as if he just woke up, ultimately beating a fel orc that is known and respected for his battle prowess in his regular form, not to speak of this enhanced form by just sliding and him running straight on it as if he never fought a battle in his life before. I don't know, that was really not what I expected, that is a humiliation of the Horde on every level.
Both Warcraft 1 and the first books follow the First war where Horde enters Stormwind thinking they will be unopposed, gets defeated, Gul'dan saves them and puts Blackhand as supreme warchief, then they use Lothar's absence and the shock of humans from the sudden king's death to finally destroy it and win the First War. You said the idea will most likely remain the same and that orcs will invade Lordaeron. Here we have Stormwind never even attacked, Alliance already formed, what chance does Horde have to ever get past Stormwind now lol?
And what beginning is dominated by Horde? The story of how sad they are for their planet and the scene where Gul'dan drains life from Draenei, then them pillaging villages? Or destroying a garrison? That's about it.
I mean I like the movie a lot, but these things just don't fit right.

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I agree with clans not showing their strengths. Yet, I didnt really see any dwarves or elves in battle there (did i miss it?) which would mean the Alliance is formed only on the paper, not in the reality. Also, not sure about Warcraft 1, but books dont say Stormwind was gone, it ends with king dead as far as I remember. And the next book begins with Lothar arriving in Arathi saying that Stormwind is lost. Thats what I meant.
True about Guldan, not sure what was he doing, altho probably his own fel stuff or overseeing building of the new portal. Though im not sure if all prisoners escaped, they did as many as they were able to, but not close to all.

[Cenarius]

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I agree with clans not showing their strengths. Yet, I didnt really see any dwarves or elves in battle there (did i miss it?) which would mean the Alliance is formed only on the paper, not in the reality. Also, not sure about Warcraft 1, but books dont say Stormwind was gone, it ends with king dead as far as I remember. And the next book begins with Lothar arriving in Arathi saying that Stormwind is lost. Thats what I meant.
True about Guldan, not sure what was he doing, altho probably his own fel stuff or overseeing building of the new portal. Though im not sure if all prisoners escaped, they did as many as they were able to, but not close to all.

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Man I am speaking about Alliance being forged at the end of the movie, when Lothar lifts up Llane's sword next to the queen and yells for azeroth, for the alliance, and the crowd yells back. In both books and warcraft 1, Horde fails to conquer stormwind first time because a patrol of mounted knights of stormwind was out of the city for practice and when they came back and saw whats happening they caught horde by surprise, then horde took great casualties and ran back to the portal. Gul'dan created huge fog that helped them lose the humans, and then they attacked a second time when Lothar was out and Llane was already assassinated by Garona, the humans demoralized and without leadership, only a handful survived and whole Stormwind burned.
Lothar came back and gathered the survivors and the king's son and ran to Lordaeron to warn them of this huge threat. That should be the first movie, or perhaps ending when Doomhammer disbands the Shadow Council and when Gul'dan promises to serve the Horde instead of destroying everything, but that Doomhammer would be in command.
The second movie could pick off after that, perhaps show how trolls and orcs united, then how high elves joined the Alliance because of Horde's attack on them. What happened in this movie makes no sense. Stormwind never fell, Alliance is already forged, Blackhand died a shameful death instead of being decapitated by Doomhammer and Gul'dan is still in power.
My only beef with this movie is that it's just another movie showing big evil orcs as bad guys and humans winning against all odds somehow.
Basically imo they should have given this movie to the Horde, and the second one to the Alliance, just like the books. That storyline is actually perfectly well made, not a single reason not to follow it.

[Deathmastered]

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I see what you're saying, but I dont recall reading "Stormwind is lost'' before the book about the 2nd war. So that might be left out in the movie as well. Many details like making of Shadow Council have not been mentioned at all to avoid confusion to new viewers, therefore disbandal is not shown as well. And regards last part what you said, that is pretty much how it is - first is given now to Horde as they defeat the king. With so big casualties (not because of confusion) Stormwind might fall. Now, the screams for the Alliance do actually make a bit of sense - the basic Alliance between High Elves and Humans was formed back during troll wars, dwarves and gnomes had representatives, but didn't really like humans so much at a time. However, we dont see dwarves, gnomes or elves in the battlefield. I wonder why. Also, according to movie, soldiers come from stormwind only, while some of the materials come from other human kingdoms. So that makes sense as well.

[Cenarius]

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I see what you're saying, but I dont recall reading "Stormwind is lost'' before the book about the 2nd war. So that might be left out in the movie as well. Many details like making of Shadow Council have not been mentioned at all to avoid confusion to new viewers, therefore disbandal is not shown as well. And regards last part what you said, that is pretty much how it is - first is given now to Horde as they defeat the king. With so big casualties (not because of confusion) Stormwind might fall. Now, the screams for the Alliance do actually make a bit of sense - the basic Alliance between High Elves and Humans was formed back during troll wars, dwarves and gnomes had representatives, but didn't really like humans so much at a time. However, we dont see dwarves, gnomes or elves in the battlefield. I wonder why. Also, according to movie, soldiers come from stormwind only, while some of the materials come from other human kingdoms. So that makes sense as well.

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I guess you missed that part then, that's how the First war ends, maybe they will expand upon that topic in the next movie. I hope so at least, they could empower the Horde and let them finish the First war victorious against the whole Alliance.

[Orthodox92]

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Well i kinda agree with Cenarius's first post (didnt read others). I would more like if there is some story, explanation why orcs run away from outland, like there is intro story in Lotr... i mean we who play wow know something about Lore, but newcomers... i dont think so. Also Lothar is fcking anoying with hes "funny" replics in dangerous situations, typical "american" hero. Orcs have to much humans characteristics, behaviour i mean (like when Durotan and Draka laying and have some conversation like its some sitkom, According to Jim for example). And Lothars and Blackhands fight is real crap, its like Johnny Cage and Goro, its just Lothar cut his balls instead punch and i expected one epic fight like Durotan vs Gul Dan. And one more thing, that Lothars gryphon, hes some kinda of Gandalfs eagles, when its hard situation there he is fighting whole fcking Horde...
But even beside this, film is awesome, i like it very much and cant w8 for next part. :D
P.S. Go watch it, wont regret :)

[Cenarius]

You should put all of that in a spoiler.

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Yeah I mentioned most of those things and they were the only annoying ones in the movie for me, rest was epic.
I don't mind Durotan and Draka scene because it shows that Orcs are not only bloodthirsty savages but have personalities as well, especially the non-fel drinking ones like them. It's nice because that makes them different from example LotR orcs that are created and destroyed as disgusting atrocities that hate everything. The whole orc story (Draenor peaceful life that turns into hell because of Legion being attracted to Draenor) is something that would split the audience between factions, while Horde here looks like unorganized murderous rabble terrified by Gul'dan making them look like villains, while Alliance naturally looks like the good guys.
Just wish there was a movie about that.

[Deathmastered]

yeah, orthodox, edit it and put it in spoilers

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What I mean is that we find out about it, but not the same book as the first war, but the one in the second war