10 paladins and its easier than FOS POS, cause they can neutralize the two air phases without dying :)
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The Wise
You guys are joke.Abusing the fact that it was not intended that emblems were hoarding in such massive scale,also cow event didnt bind players to it meaning if it was kept like that every AND I MEAN EVERY single player would join cow event,completely ignoring every pve dungeon and hoarding roughly 2000-20 000
emblems completely devastating realm economy ,progress and general enjoyment.
I know it was inconvinience for some players that didnt "gear alts" in one run but alas id rather agree with rollback then keeping it as it is.Both realms (Lordaeron and Icecrown) suffered from short economy bursts.
You have to be real about it,it was better that it was shut down abruptly (hell i even pmed Proterean to shut it down,since it was casuing mayhem already).
Sure it might be pun unintended but shortly fixed.On that part i do recognise it was partially mistake in judgment and trial but it was sorted.
Deal with it and be happy it didnt ruin economy and everything else.
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I think they should've kept snowmen with half the droprate on frosts. I've never been a fan of cows though.
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I agree with it being too much for the economy and all because it was done without having a cooldown with 40 man raids killing fast and you could bring alts with no gear easy to carry BUT
now it has like a 3 day cooldown no frosts droping and only 6k+ can farm it decently+ boss is impossible, which makes it useless
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Good evening.
Mercy, I know that the decision to change the drop rate was based off community feedback, and it's good to know that you're listening to players. However, as I stated in the opening post, the feedback you've got was given by the vocal minority.
You could say, oh, well if the so-called silent majority decided to stay silent, then they don't care. But, the "silent" majority was not silent and expressed its opinions, but ingame, in guild chat, in raid chat when you make a raid for snowmen/cows, in global, etc, where I assume you're not looking.
Before the nerf, 100% of the feedback was against the big drop rates, because those that were okay with it were happy and there's not much point for them to say anything about it. But even though 100% of the feedback was against these big drop rates, the total amount of people against it is actually very low compared to the amount of people who like it or don't mind it.
As people in this thread have already said, the decision was made too fast. I will attempt to describe the picture that I see at the moment:
* Event starts
* Few hours into the event, people begin complaining on forum that drop rates are too high
* Because 100% of the forum posts about the droprates were against it (again because the people that are okay with it don't have a point to say anything), you've made a rather quick decision and nerfed the drop rates.
* A lot of people ingame and in this thread are against the nerfs and the low dropates. I think that currently, if we take the amount of unique forum posts (no more than 1 per poster) that is against the high drop rates and the amount of forum posts that are against the low droprates, you would see that it's about the same. And if we compare the two in ingame chat, then the amount of people against the low droprates is much much higher.
* Even though the amount of feed back (looking only at forum posts) is now about the same from both sides, you do not want to change your decision as (as Mercy said) it would make you look indecisive.
If what I described is correct, then I think that your decision was not fair, and is based on only a part of the community's feedback. (Am not trying to say anything against staff btw, I appreciate everything, really, just that in my opinion the decision was wrong)
My suggestion:
* Find a "middle point", which means, do not increase it to such amounts as we've seen at release but increase it to a reasonable amount which gives people motivation to make groups for Snowmen and Cows.
* Or, alternatively, revert it for 24 hours to be exactly as it was on release (yes, literally exactly), and at the same time make a survey on forum, asking people what they want (make it as nerfed as it is now? keep it as on release? find a middle point?), after 24 hours make a decision based on the survey. Make an announcement ingame to pop every 20 min or so informing people that there's a survey on forum and telling them to go and vote on it. A lot of people don't browse forum, just log on front page to see news, but surely they will be interested to vote on a survey such as this, it allows their opinion to be heard and the decisions they want, to be made.
After 24 hours pass, make a decision based on the survey.
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How could it even ruin the economy? there would just be more Mats, not more gold ingame..?
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Wrong. The entire economy is not run on primo and Crusader Orbs. Just because the value of these two items goes way down does not even come close to devastating the entire economy. Invest in another economic part of the game. And there is absolutely no way that any players got anywhere 20,000 emblems in a few hours, that is completely absurd.
EDIT: It doesn't ruin the economy, it only ruins his key source of income if he primarily sells primo. Absolutely ridiculous.Edited: December 21, 2016
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Exactly.. I dont get why ppl think it would ruin the economy....
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Not sure staff is reading all these messages. I am not trying to act like a child and cry about any kind of event, I don't mind if drop rate of emblems is dropped (maybe a bit too low I can agree) but why are the cows now 5 man party into 1.3 mil hp mobs? It takes really really long time to be done without even good reward. I liked last update of snowmen, all around Northrend, it was really good idea, sadly it made server lag like crazy.
To conclude this, its 21th already, If anything is going to be changed based on our feedback, I would appreciate if that gonna happen fast, Christmas is getting closer anyway.
This reply had no point to beg nor trashtalk, that was my opinion, however I love the way warmane staff really take care of their community, I am here since 2010, played on a lot other servers as well, Warmane really take care of community no matter what these plebs that can't clear Marrowgar HC nor 1.3k rating says. Have fun.
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That will ruin economy... but not realm one... it will ruin they economy
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You guys are clueles how many emblems could be farmed in 10 mins>200 emblems(thats how long took my guild to farm in t9 (not even bis ) )>100 mins 2000 emblems for ignorant and clueles people.
Also every single need to craft would be pointless since all orbs,all gems,all boe 200>264 is free beacuse of influx of emblems.All character would have free t10 with N 264 offset creating no need to raid thus no flasks,pots,less farming and so on.
You really guys dont understand influx of 1 thing can affect many others.
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They cannot comprehend the meaning of economy, to them it is only what they are making. If I get less out of what I am selling than before, then that must mean the economy is bad. What a goofy formal fallacy that is. There are so many things you can make gold off of. Why would you direct your rage at the staff causing all of us to miss out because you will make less gold off primo?
Another thing: Once people spend all their eofs on primo and sell them, there will not be tons more primo coming in still. This is not a permanent change to the economy, it will slowly but surely increase in price again down the road.
EDIT: People cannot spend frosts on BiS items, thus there is still a need to raid. Once again, that is only a part of the economy, not the economy as a whole. And I can't be certain of how many your guild farmed because I was not there, so that could very well be the case, but I doubt it.Edited: December 21, 2016
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The Wise
Why in heaven's place would staff be welcomed with such change to already more or less stable economy=?Brain to iron nails ....seriously...
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Right, because it's not like something such as a gold fix is approaching or anything. Once again, the economy would not be devastated. Not sure how you can't get that through your thick skull, but there you go. Done replying now.
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Let's settle this "ruins the economy" argument once and for all.
What sellable items you can buy for EoT and EoF?
-Crusader orbs or Primos (depending on server)
-Uncut epic gems
Of course you could put more effort and buy stuff like Frozen Orbs, 213 boe bracers, etc, but that's meaningless and irrelevant really, the main things are primos/orbs and gems.
What are Primos, Crusader orbs and epic gems? They are consumables. Yes, you can't use them like a potion but they're getting consumed by different means, and not as fast.
Primos are getting consumed by crafting items and by shadow's edge questline. Crusader orbs are also for crafting items. Epic gems are obviously for gemming. You put a gem in your socket, boom, the gem is gone. Consumable.
Now, let's say X amount of orbs primos gems have been injected into the market, and their price heavily decreased. What happens then?
What happens is that I, a person who wants to gem myself, and get myself two crafted items, can now do so much more easily for some amount of time (let's say two months) until prices are stable again. And like I said due to these items being CONSUMABLES their prices WILL stabilize after some time. Also remember that, for example, the production of uncut epic gems might heavily decrease due to their low price, which will make the price stabilize even faster. It could be very much possible even that the materials for epic gem transmutes will cost more than the gem itself.
"B..but the server makes 500 gems a day, and buys 500 gems a day for example. That's how economy works, if you now inject say 10,000 throughout this week in our economy then there will always be 10,000 in the market" WRONG. Not everyone can affort buying the primos or orbs for crafts, not everyone can afford epic gems. Heavily lowered price = more people being able to afford those items = more people buying them = that hypothetical 10,000 number will decrease to 0 in a matter of months and market for these items will be stable again.
If you are making a living off gems or orbs/primos, and you've participated in the event, you don't suffer from this. You will NOT have less gold because you've also farmed ****tons.
The result is, the only people suffering from this are people who make their living off gems and orbs/primos and DID NOT participate in the event, which is a very low % of the total population, why should the whole event be nerfed to the ground and pretty much ruined just because of them? How many people will there be, that will not participate in the event with high drop rates? Very little.
Economy does not get ruined at all, I don't get where this myth is coming from...
I have already said there's no need to increase drop rate to on release values.
>What is ICC25HC raiding?
