season 5 ring a bell?did you play wrath or are you just some kid who trolls the forums?anyone who played wrath thats a on troll will tell you how totally op'ed dks were from start to finish.sure they got toned down a tad but they were still faceroll but you think your skilled to you argue other wise.
how could warriors be good when they were the worst pvp class during s5?if warriors were so good why were they so bad and changes had to be made?
do you not remember dks shadow of death? lol o i killed a dk .... no you didn't lol
army of the dead being used in area ... lmfao
dk's resing teammates as zombies lol
google is your friend but you fail to use it,why?
are you saying arms warrior were wanted for dps in raids over rets and dks?
http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=379632
arms was way behind dks and rets and fury was to until late wrath were it was close.
pallys and dks were better tanks
warriors ended up being good in 2v2 backed by a PALLY and in 3v3 when grouped with a DK AND PALLY ,again this was towards the end of wrath as arms was not wanted for the 1st and so of the 2nd season.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/8569107460
read that from blizz official forums back in the day but your say they are wrong correct?
go dk's go!
pay close attention to the "Season 5 Death Knights." Everyone refers to this season as the most unbalanced ever" part.
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Edited: July 7, 2018
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except its s8 on all warmane wrath servers. how is any of this even relvant
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because the question and statement was wrath's = aka meaning that x-pac was the best balanced.....and thats 100% false
or do you really think blizz started wrath and said bang hes LK and thats it or do you think an entire x-pac happened before the last patch and LK came?right...
you should read before you post
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Again, and again, you keep having this arguemnt with multiple people, and you are being as ******ed every single time.
If we talk about expansions WE TALK ABOUT THE LAST SEASON. I.e S8 for woltk. If i say Mop was amazing for pvp i mean s 15 (and s14), not the ****fest that were BM hunters and arms warriors at the start, if we say Wrath was balanced and Wars were Op in 2s we mean SEASON 8.
Not to mention that for private servers woltk is 3.3.5a and nothing but 3.3.5a and we all are talking about private servers. And all you claim is wrong for s8.
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What's the point of this topic exactly?
To tell the others how they should play the game and how they should enjoy it?
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Overall people share their opinion and how they feel about the game.The problem is someone like Butkus come and start making this insane wild statements that are absolutely not backed by any facts whatsoever,and every time when someone call him he just dodge the question.So at this point is a **** show.
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lol troll more!show me one fact just one FACT that you provided that proves wraths pvp was better balanced and better all around then TBC, again i will wait. you may think its funny to troll but im loling hard at how simple minded someone like you is for TRYING to defend dks and/or overlook 3/4ths of wrath,even then dks were still face roll in the last season of wrath.
i gave you how many links and you soem how just over look them again its funny.
thats was a 5:30 min duel butkus not 15 min your such a noob = lol. two dps spec fighting for over 5 mins and you think that balanced but dont comment on it?i even gave you a link to the froums and everyone telling you dks were the most op'ed thing in wow history as far as classes go and you dont comment = again lol.
what is your take/comment on s5? none right?cause if you comment on s5 then it proves me right and your wrong = lol.
enjoy buddy have fun with the death grips ...Edited: July 8, 2018
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what funny is you and the few others that somehow only want to look at 1 patch of an entire x-pac
let me help you again
If WE talk about EXPANSIONS = we as in us meaning more then 1 person, expansion meaning just that EXPANSION = all of wrath.
WE TALK ABOUT THE LAST SEASON
no WE dont you and like two others are and if you want to talk about 1 season or 1 patch then do so,but thats 1 season and 1 patch not an x-pac.
"Wotlk had a much higher focus on PvP than it did in TBC. Classes became much more balanced and they spent a lot of time developing vehicle combat, the destructible environment and an entire zone"
that was the post i reply to no where does it say patch or season its says TBC and WRATH = x pacs.
you get it now?you cant talk about the 1st 3/4ths of wrath cause the pvp was crap so you talk about th last one and pretend the rest did not happen.
compare s4 to s5 or s6 to s3 go right down the line then show me 1 single class or spec from TBC that was as op'ed as dk were.if you cant do that then again your wrong and yes dks were that op'ed they stopped rewarding 2's....
you nor the handful of wrath babies have proved nothing all you done is repeat over and over last season of wrath ect ect when i said over and over the question was the X-pac.
what i cant understand is why you SAY SOMETHING like arms is op'ed in 2v2 when backed by a pally "lmfao" but pretend thwe rest fo the xpac did not happen,like its make believe or something. if you want to know why arms ended up being "op'ed" in 2's then you need to know what happened BEFORE that,they were bad and got buffed so they would not be useless.
i think people liek you guys here just want buffs and nerfs to happen on a private server "lmfao" so you go around crying about stuff you dont like. im guessing you guys dont like arms being good in 2's you want dks to be best in 2's so they are better in every aspect of game play then warriors are,then you be happy again much like the 1st 3/4ths of wrath. its not like pallys and dks are worse tanks then warriors or worse dps or worse in pvp.Edited: July 8, 2018
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You cant even keep track who you are arguing with and what for.i Never said anything about TBC or defend any class,all i did was to point out your statements are absolutely not true.Let me help you out buddy and remind you what we was talking about.
this was what you originally said
and this is my very first commend to you.
And this was respond your respond comments.
and you link me video of 5min duel in dalaran..../facepalm
Your idea is bad pvp balance is that because DK vs Ret paladin duel takes long time,Arena is unbalanced since it will come down to a 1v1 duel between this 2 classes.If you still don't understand how far from reality this 2 statements are,then i don't know what else to tell you.
And for 100 time we cant look at s5 because that's the first season of the expansion.This is new expansion with new class and huge rework on all existing classes,how can you possible expect the first season to be balanced,Blizzard cant possible know how unbalance/balance will their new expansion be right away?How many people need to tell you something similar to that,and you keep talking about s5.
Also stop mixing PVE and PVP balance this 2 are completely different things.In pve you just need to be above a threshold to be able to clear all the content.You keep saying how bad Prot warrior is compare to dk/paladin,well almost every single world first kill in wotlk,aside of LK 25hc where they used paladin and feral,had prot warrior in the raid tanking.I think we can say they are good enough to tank any content in the game w/o much of a problem.Edited: July 8, 2018
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what I dont understand is why he keeps talking about s5, when he linked a video of s8
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you are totally clueless thats really all that can be said
"And for 100 time we cant look at s5 because that's the first season of the expansion"
again your fail like s5 and 3/4ths of wraths pvp was fail so much fail blizz stopped rewarding 2v2 LONG before arms got good
x-pac vs x- pac not TBC vs 1 and only 1 season of wrath only a ****** would do/say that but here we are......
nothing in TBC was even close to as op'ed as dk's were from all of wrath nothing = that little fact alone makes warths pvp below TBC's. you cna go ahead and talk about druids all you want but druids from tbc are not = to dks from wrath,not even close.
what about dk's poping army of the dead in arena?stack dks and pop army = gg. shadow of death? i even remember at one point dks could play like a mage/lock kill people with ranged attacks as they casted diseases at them, old ghost crawler himself ended that crap.
you can sit here and say well we cant count that becasue but thats just dumb talk it counts and so does all the face roll dk players that got glad over all of wrath = it all counts.
class balance = all aspects of game play like i said not just pvp and again you "guys or should i say kids" seem to want to over look the fact pallys and dks were bette rin pve then warriors/arms ever was. but like you said warriors "were good enough" well guess what?dks are "good enough" as is on wrath and no changes need to be made to any class. yes some of your fellow posters really want that.
again go right down the line from shadowmourne and the rest of the op'ed pve crap to the human racial to face rolling dk's, all of that crap was part of why wrath pvp was not better then TBC.
also if i really wanted to get into class balance/make up i can go into way more detail then telling you "and we all know" how op'ed dks are. i would go straight into things like how warriors had to switch stances lose all our rage spam a macro and hope disarm went off when rogues could just 1 tap a button and bang its done. spell reflect vs dk'?s magic zone?lol sure, pummel same thing dks can just 1 tap and its done.
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why are you still posting?....
was s5 part of wrath? but it dont count to you guys right?like how lebron james keeps getting his *** kicked in the finials and his fans boys will say that dont count cause the other team is better...
that ret vs dk video i linked, how do you think a warrior would do in that?or a rogue?rets were healing about thwe same iof not more then most healers at one point = not good balance.
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youre constantly talking about how op ret and dks were in s5, the you proceed to link a video of two monkeys duelling in s8. XD
why are YOU still posting, is the real question
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well its pointless to post because you and your fellow wrath kids are totally clueless
the video i linked?season 8 and?whats your point?that kind of ******ed inblaced op'ed crap was still happening in season 8?yeah the video backs that up s5 was even worse. you keep trolling about a season 8 video i linked without even understanding it but the more you talk about the worse it looks. that season 8 video was the best wrath had right?so what happens when any other class fights a pally or dk?hmmm. rets healing more then healers and doing top dps hmm great balance. that crap leads to in balance and results like 2's begin removed from season rewards.....
again both pallys and dks were face roll all though wrath yes rets got toned down more then dks did but still were called 1 man armies, and dks.... most op'ed class to ever be in wow.
can you get all that now?do you understand how imbalanced wrath was?do you understand wrath had the worse season in the history of wow pvp?that video was just to show you how ******ed pallys and dks really are and were even worse before end game,lol.Edited: July 9, 2018
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Though Blizzard did start to take PvP more and more into consideration as time passed it never was a main focus for them vanilla-LK.
Vanilla saw the addition of many patches that focused on PvP (AV patch).
BC introduced arena, which was entirely pvp driven.
Wotlk introduced Wintergrasp which was an entire zone that was pvp driven.
Each expansion clearly showed Blizzard wanted to give some focus to pvp.
That being said it does not mean that blizzard kept the main idea of pvp in mind while they created/patched vanilla-LK
Blizzard made it very clear that even though they did care about pvp, it was not the main focus of wow and that it would always fall second to PvE because they wanted wow to be a PvE game.
Later versions of wow such as Legion, MOP, Battle for Azeroth; Blizzard has made clear that they want to show more main focus to PvP. Which is why you have what you have within those games as far as PvP goes.
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