The amount of pedantic replies is baffling.
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iSullivanGuestI've raided on molten from before hc modes were introduced and I've seen it all - from bugs like frost dk using unh dk pet, hitchhiker hacking etc, to enhancement shaman oneshotting any boss with buffstacking, and i've reported it all.
There are couple of ways to report bugs correctly:
- Pm a game master on the forums, include a screenshot/video if u have one; explain the bug if you don't have screens or don't want to get ppl from your guild banned.
- Make a bug report/post in the classspecific forums (try to get ppl to upvote it) - atm not viable for dw/rag players.
From own experience: Don't attack exploiting guilds on the forums by posting in their thread or making a new topic - you are going to get banned, just do the above and they will get punished sooner or later.
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Getting this attention is punishment enough.
1 guy used an exploit, whole guilds gets the blame and people rage on forums about all exploits in general, but we all know where this started.
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I agree and at the same time I don't. I think it started at different times for different people, it's definitely not a new problem and I think the video only pushed it to a head quicker.
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Going by what you've posted, I'd say you don't really understand what's going on here. People are BLATANTLY exploiting. There have been people and guilds who BRAG about doing it, and act as though they are superior to guilds who try to kill the same boss legitly. They have been doing it for THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR. And guess what? They've been reported MULTIPLE TIMES, and has any of them been banned? NO.
Caps for emphasis.
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thats a molten issue. lol cmon lets not go full *****s here.
its not like everyone dont have 10 or so melee standing around that entire phase anyways doing jack that could be dpsing them if it worked. at best it means one more set of valks its not a game breaking bug in the least so just stop. its fixed on the PTR so guess we will get that soon enough.
your right on marrow
lady adds still not working right
gsb we know is all bugged
dbs is bugged as all get out
wrong on rotface as that depends how many you stack in the melee box if its too many he will indeed cast it on them
fester shouldent give two stacks of innoculated per 1 spore
PP bugged to teh hills
BPC kinetics
BQL idk about link issues seems to work ok i know there are bite issues and flame animation not showing up but that may be more UI issues than anything else
VDW lol bugged
Sindy unchained and los tombs landing phase/flight phase is off
LK lets not even go there
every boss is bugged in some way or another
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That's the same thing as saying that if I brought a murderer to a public space and embarassed him in public - "It would be enough". If you're going against the terms & conditions that you should follow you deserve a punishment. That's how it used to work. That's how it still works - But only for certain situations, apparently. What we're asking for here is justice in that aspect. I've seen guilds being banned thanks to one person only in the past. If they made them an example - Why did they stop? The main question that has been asked multiple times in this thread:
Why is it happening?Edited: March 16, 2016
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Comparing murder with exploiting lol.
If you think a little about it you would understand what a catastrophic impact it has to guilds to get this kind of attention, What does that have in comparison to get humiliated infront of the public when you commited sucha chrime as murder?
I received a 60 days bann when I was in Apex of Myrmidons, Goin for realm first LoD, 1 guy sais, "Dont enter yet Im fixing the edge" we all got in later to start our 50th ish try, And I noticed that no spirits was spawned on last phase. At that point GM took ous into prison and everyone got a 60 days bann, Is it really fair that everyone gets punished for what 1 guy are doin, ESPECIALLY if no one even fking knows about it until its too late.
This is goin too far. Start thinking before posting stupid sht.Edited: March 16, 2016
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You're speaking about a specific case as though it is representative of what is going on. Do you honestly think it is just one person per guild that does this ****? Because if you do, man do I have news for you....
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Actually there have been several well thought out posts inbetween all the bickering. I've often been torn on this given that it does seem a bit unfair to ban an entire guild for the actions of 1.
That decision falls more on the GM staff than the community. So lets talk about not banning entire guilds if that's what makes you feel uncomfortable about this thread.
What would you propose the GM staff do instead? I'm for removing achievement / title / loot depending on the situation. If the fight is easy or doable for a guild then redoing the fight to compensate for someone exploiting seems fair to me.
The overall point, even though the thread started as a result of a PvE video, is we want an answer from the GM staff in regards to how reprimands will be handled in the future and what they plan to do so they can do it in a more consistent manner.Edited: March 16, 2016
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Speaking from experience, is it fair that entire guilds can wrap their tactics around exploits and use it for months? I just get this feeling that you're only aware of the past 24 hours, or only aware of actions that can support your theories. This thread isn't even targeting a specific event or person, it's about months and months of entire guilds using it. And anyone who wants to deny that claim should go back under their rock until they can actually bring evidence that proves my first hand knowledge incorrect.
Edited: March 16, 2016
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Yes Lynea there's alot like really, ALOT of exploits you can do with almost every class, I do think too smth needs to be done about this and I do hope the new core will remove alot if not all of them. The reason I post that example is because I think thats exactly what GM's started thinking too, if you count exploit as HoP on PP then they will start banning the whole realm and punishing whole guilds for what 1 guy is doin isn't fair.
Theres a very thin line in this matter, and where should it exactly be drawn is the question.
Personally I think, Getting proof of someone using an obvious exploit for a class, report him, 30 days bann, Done, Would be the best way to go, since GM's alone cant do this kind of work, checking every raid all the time, its up to the community to report.
On the other hand, this will most likely not happend within many guilds, unless you have leaders that dont tolerate it and take matters into their own hands and gkicking instead.
The options to deal with this issue is many but there will allways be people who cares more about gear and titles / acheivements then actual progress and doin it properly, But like I said above, the Gm's alone cant keep an eye open for all these raids goin on every day.Edited: March 16, 2016
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That's an analogy, a bit extreme, but we could apply the same logic there.
It would have a catastrophic impact to yourself, doesn't it? As said before, his analogy is a bit extreme, but we can apply the logic behind your idea.
As said by Lynea a couple of posts ago, ignorance doesn't mean that you can avoid the laws & rules.
I'll bring another extreme analogy, as I belive it's easier to understand it that way:
For example, in the country that you live in, marrying childs is legal, all fine. You move to another country where marrying childs isn't legal but you apparently didn't know that, so you marry a child and also get into a legal process to get you in hail. Should you be deemed innocent just because of your ignorance? I don't think so.
Now going to the topic that you brought:
Yes, and I got 3 reasons for it:
First, it's very unlikely for them to not pay attention to LK's debuffs, I mean, they have got a 25man group of which everybody except healers will have LK as target. What does it mean? It means that they'll see any icon under LK's frame.
Second, they're a guild with players & officers that have been doing this for almost 10 years, they have done it more than a thousand times, and Funky also confirmed to know that JoJ is an exploit (That means he wasn't an ignorant in this situation), it's quite hard for them to not be able to realize there's something odd with LK's movement speed.
And lastly, when you recruit someone into your guild, you're accepting him as a person & player. That means that his acts will affect you & the guild accordingly.
I'll quote yourself hoping to end this discussion:
And I'll give advice to any guild that have incurred into exploting, knowing or not about it:
You could just accept your mistakes and apologize to avoid this ****storm.
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Actually that's not entirely true. It's not hard to map out a raid schedule by referencing forums or a guild website to find their raid times.
If there's too much to watch at once, then schedule someone to spectate at the raid time of the suspected guild. Keeps from wasting time and resources trying to watch random raids.
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That's going under the assumption that the GM team does actually work.
