And how do you know i will not play classic?Given i was on retail from 2005-2009 and then again in 2017.Do you have insight in my life and my plans?
Also these are some QOL changes that are being suggested,not being implemented.If people was according to you swarmer it would be hitler regime i guess.
Stop being a d... and show some respect since obviously you cannot communicate well.
Also if you got against and for show some leniency toward against since obviously it will not be you who will populate those server as single entity.There are thousands of players that will play it and some things they got in their mind they are "free to express".
So next time you being cancerious think again that this world does not revolve around single person.In end of greater scheme of Blizzard they will do to populate the realms maximum since they dont wont to have a 50 people playing such server despite what they say,after all tis money involved.
That was merely a suggestion ,mock my words again but you will see what will happen in end.I've seen same pattern too many times,they will replicate not duplicate classic:Does that ring a bell to you ?Or do people need to write in crayon as usual.
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Edited: November 14, 2017
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No one cares if youre gonna play on them mate. No one cares that you played on them and "understand" that it had problems that could be fixed. No one, cause it doesnt matter in the discussion.
People want 1.12.1 its that simple. Your QoL suggestions that you dont want implemented (?) are the things people dont want cause guess what...they want 1.12.1. Can you accept that if you want dualspec, xmog, barber, etc youre not the targeted player? Why are you like this? Why do you come to something that you dont like since you want changes and start naming what would be better if it was different?
And lets be clear here: im not taking any suggestion i see on the net about classic seriously cause Blizz aint Warmane who caved in a sec. Blizz wants the Nost/Kronos/Ely people who are not subbed to the game to come and sub. People who are already subbed and make this QoL "suggestions" mean **** to them cause you are already paying. They want NEW subs, the ones that want 1.12.1.
To me its just vomit inducing that people who dont like how 1.12.1 was come and ruin it for people who want 1.12.1. Why are you like that?
At the end of the day its just funny how people are ya know, like in kindergarden when someone came and destroyed you sand castle cause it was different lol.
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You could link your source for claiming who the target players are and how exactly these newly released Vanilla servers are going to be to solve all this.
You do have a source, right?
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Point being ?Alot of people that are on retail still want classic vanilla,but with some things like graphic and engine being better,obviously you dont wanna 12 year old game with bugs and whatnot?Should they leave bugs in it too=?Exploits?Unstable realm that can crash when 10k people come swarming in=?
Lisst goes beyond and beyond,point is some change is inevitable,especially since its being handled by new engine,not to add that they are replicating the game from ground up.
I only added final say to some talents being more possible in game as suggestion,neither i said i want barber shop etc but its inevitable.
Some things that wont affect game will only make lifetime span of vanilla much more valuable like achievments ,macros,improved graphic/achievment account wide all whom do not have affect on direct game play.
And if we judge by Blizzzard they want quality of their own level,surely they wont release unpolished version of Vanilla no matter how "people want it" beacuse sometimes as the exec of blizz said you think you want it but you dont.If they released half broken game (not by my standards but by standards of today "gaming world" i doubt even 3% of retail pop would play it (200 k people if so even).
If they implement various no game balancing things there might be a zound of people coming to retail.Me included
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@Obnoxious
Q: Do you think there'll be a line to walk for the team, then? Somewhere between creating that authentic experience that people have asked for, while also figuring out what doesn't make sense anymore? For example, with the Intellect buff, is it important to you that players do need to drink after casting it?
A: J. Allen Brack: Yes. That's part of the level 60 experience. Our goal is to recreate that classic 1-60 gameplay. Some things changed as time went on, with different patches. How does that get manifested? That's one of the outstanding questions. But yeah, the goal is to recreate that exact experience, for better or for worse.
The last sentence tells you that everyone who ever played vanilla knows what the problems with the game were but that was part of the game, for better or for worse.
I mean for the me perfect outcome would be Blizz listening to all these people and implement the QoL changes. Then when the vanilla pserver community would ***** and whine about this is not what we wanted and stoped playing, all these people who wanted the QoL changees would come out and proudly say "SEE WE TOLD YOU VANILLA WAS NOT GOOD NO ONE IS PLAYING IT"
This would be the dream for me just to see again how ****ed up a human brain can be.
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So your source is one vague line in a Q&A that talks about a "goal" and doesn't even mentions which expansion patch they are going to use, i.e., something with the same value as Blizzard saying they'd never set up Vanilla servers again.
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How can you even say you played vanilla and write stuff like 10k people swarming in? Dude 10k are not meant to play on a server, they never were. Just cause you see warmane do it (and then having to lower draw distance otherwise people would look at diapositives) doesnt mean its right. Its not.
Do i really have to write the differences between bugs, exploits and game mechanics?
You see this is what im talking about. People just cant accept that these announcement was for all the people in vanilla pserver community that grew so large that Blizz cant ignore it anymore not for the retail population cause they get the new expansion. People who want vanilla dont want the standards of the gaming world they want fkn vanilla.If they released half broken game (not by my standards but by standards of today "gaming world" i doubt even 3% of retail pop would play it (200 k people if so even).
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@Swarmer
and how many people told on streams they would retrun to classic asap should they implement those QoL changes=?i read and **** many said they want imp graphics,etc.
I also read that many said "i aint returning to that old graphic shi.. they implement new things id sub asap" and so on.
Only blizz knows how tehy will handle it.
Obviously Blizz wont put 1k people on server.waaste of resources time etc.There is agenda behind this but you fail to grasp it.
Blizzard wont release half broken game do you understand that.Edited: November 14, 2017
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Its k man, i came to terms with retail people not liking the announcement. Take it as you want
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You just need to come to terms that all you have right now is wishful thinking, not facts. You have no clue how these Vanilla servers are going to be, so stop acting like you do. Again, all you have until they make an official press release is wishful thinking that it will happen the way you prefer.
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I will just quote this!
IF BLIZZARD LISTENED every single **** (same as warmane) they end up on shorter line of stick among many other things.,now i am not saying you shoudnt listen to community but there is maybe 3% among entire community that knows what is good,rest is just there for welfare of their own.
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Half broken is in the eyes of the beholder. You can say no dual spec means broken cause its a natural part of the game now.
Like in vanilla, cause of the dev limitations, most quests are "collect 10 of these" "kill 20 of these" "click that" etc. If you see quests now on retail they are much more fun and engaging and stuff. This is something that is "broken" is some peoples eyes. Should they change quests and implement all the new stuff they did with quests? No cause that is not what people were fond off. People dont even want the zhevra hoves in the barrens to have a higher drop rate dude.
Vanilla was all this the good and the bad. Whats the obsession with it making it "better", different. It is what it is if you dont like it dont play it. Battle for Azeroth will have every QoL change people are asking for. Play that.
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What im trying to say is that they shouldnt listen to the retail community when planing Classic like they shouldnt listen to the vanilla community when planing BfA. 2 different crowds that want 2 different thing. Forcing one over the other will make all this a blunder imo.
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"You think you do, but you don't."
Veterans - Blinded by NOSTALGIA. Pretty much many veterans out there will try WoW Classic. And many of them will leave soon after, when they see how grindy, hard, harsh and boring Vanilla was. Memories, memories, just memories, nothing else.
Active veterans - What I mean to say by Active veterans is this ===> Asmongold, Swifty, Hotted, Sco, Towelliee, etc. People who are still playing WoW, and they also did in 2004, 2005, 2006. People like them will 100% try out WoW Classic, and for sure stand for longer than inactive veterans. They will also play live version of WoW. They love WoW. And people who love WoW are always active while new expansions, events, things. They are always "in" in big moments.
Active non-veteran WoW players - 2011-2017. They can't imagine Vanilla. Most of them don't even know how was the WoW back then, the history of WoW, etc. 80% will leave in first months of launch. The thing is, they are just amazed by tales of old-school WoW players, how good was back then, etc...
Experienced private wow server players - people who played old school retail wow. Then they transferred to private servers. 60% of them will try out WoW Classic, and half of that 60% player base will leave soon after, reasons are many: dissatisfaction how blizz made wow vanilla server, they dont actually like vanilla, they love TBC, or Wotlk, idk..., another one is they already have their "lifes" in good ol' private servers, many friends there, they just wont give all the time to the wow classic.
Private server players who who have not experienced WoW retail (nor retail vanilla) - They played vanilla on buggy private servers, and ofc, many other wow expansions, and ofc they will see how is the new WoW Classic. MOST of them are just broke a** n***as, they can't afford 15$ monthly, they will not even try out. However, this playerbase won't be seen too much in WoW Classic.
THIS UP ARE JUST PREDICTIONS. Be aware, I am totally random person, and my comment pretty much doesn't matter. I just wanted to share it.
WoW Classic is like a nuclear bomb. In this case nuclear bomb is HYPE BOMB.
HYPE BOMB will land and "get" almost anyone in the way who played wow, who was playin' wow...
radiation will be in all of us, and it will eventually how the time passes, BURN OUT.
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