Queue removal upon joining a battleground

[Obnoxious]

I have an alt and yes at some point i want to get honor gear. And yes i want more quality bgs but i dont get more now then i use to, now i just have to wait and do nothing in between bgs. But the reason its hard on new dinged players is because there are marks in the game and that they are needed to buy specific items so at some point they have to join a specific bg and then wait a long time.
The reason why people joined multiply bgs was because AV was the safe honor grind so you could always join that if the opposite faction out geared or outnumbered you. I just waited 10 minutes before bg popped and i joined 3 bg queues.
The thing is from now on it will take maybe 3 times as long to get honor gear. I have played 20 days in game just to get honor gear, lets say i spend half the time pvping, so from now on it takes 30 days in game just to get the worst pvp gear.

Read the last paragraph you quoted again: how long the wait times are is in the players' hands. We didn't change the wait timers, we simply removed the possibility for people to queue for things they just wanted to use to "pass the time" apparently. The queue times were artificially low and caused by the ditchers, not because there were that many people queued - you had fast battleground queues just because anywhere from 25 to 75% of the people supposedly going to participate were just faking it. The honor gains were artificially high and caused by people that, so to say, were exploiting a flaw in the queue system and creating quick-loss battlegrounds as a side-effect, which granted extra honor to people that got stuck in dead-end matches - people didn't truly earn honor faster, they just accumulated the gain from lost matches faster. You are trying to defend that the side-effects of misusing the battleground system are worth leaving things as they are, while you should instead be trying to get people to still queue to the same multiple battlegrounds as before, and just play out whatever comes up.

[Jakkre]

I think remove this hopping through bgs completly is the wrong way.
Reduce it to 2 battlegrounds so the ppl can only hop in "1" other bg and not to the next, mhhh its bad, to the next, fuugg also bad, to the next ahh good group... - try and see - my opinion.

They implemented these changes to make BG hopping impossible and u suggest to bring BG hopping back.
No matter if u can hop between 2 or 3 BGs, it still screws the balance of the BG up.

What u ppl don't understand is that BGs shouldn't be abused as a time sink AT ALL.
If u join a BG then u should stay in that BG until the end or otherwise get punished with deserter. Its simple as that.

A alternative to the current system would be random BGs like in wotlk.
RBG could give 1-3 universal marks that can be used to buy any item which requires marks.
In case of rBG the horde would probably also wait +10 min in the queue though. Thats just the price u pay for beeing in the higher populated faction.

A nother thing that might be interesting is to implement additional BG queue NPCs on a location where some wpvp can be done to pass the time until the BG pops up.
For example in halaa.
The faction that controlls halaa could have the queue NPCs inside the town while the other has them somewhere close to the gargoyl nests.
That would give ppl something to do until the BG pops up and would also make it easier to collect halaar tokkens.
It doesn't need to be halaa though. I just like the idea to put BG queue NPCs on a location where wPvP can happen.

[Torrentz]

No matter if u can hop between 2 or 3 BGs, it still screws the balance of the BG up.

Changing this to 2 rather than 3 would reduce the severity of the problem a LOT. You'd reduce the frequency of people jumping between BGs by up to 50% of it's current value. That's a big change.

What u ppl don't understand is that BGs shouldn't be abused as a time sink AT ALL.

People understand the issue, it's just that the current attempt to fix the issue brings in a huge number of other problems that for a lot of people simply outweigh the initial problem itself. I'd imagine most people would be happy to play a competitive, 15v15 AB game for 20+ minutes for adequate reward; they just don't want to have to sit in Shattrath for 15-20 minutes beforehand. It's not worth it.

[borix]

Read the last paragraph you quoted again: how long the wait times are is in the players' hands. We didn't change the wait timers, we simply removed the possibility for people to queue for things they just wanted to use to "pass the time" apparently. The queue times were artificially low and caused by the ditchers, not because there were that many people queued - you had fast battleground queues just because anywhere from 25 to 75% of the people supposedly going to participate were just faking it. The honor gains were artificially high and caused by people that, so to say, were exploiting a flaw in the queue system and creating quick-loss battlegrounds as a side-effect, which granted extra honor to people that got stuck in dead-end matches - people didn't truly earn honor faster, they just accumulated the gain from lost matches faster. You are trying to defend that the side-effects of misusing the battleground system are worth leaving things as they are, while you should instead be trying to get people to still queue to the same multiple battlegrounds as before, and just play out whatever comes up.

but in the original tbc there where many times more players so you could get gear fast because you got instant queues for bgs. Honor farm will still happen in AV=faster queue, but now you get no marks from the other bgs because only queue you get fast is AV. Pve players also get gear faster because of the knowledge there is to day and the faster gold progress and this does not help pvp players the same way, pvpers are stuck in the same progress rate as original tbc from now on, and you and i know thats not appealing to new players right? I im not sure that i would have played warmane if i had so little progress, i havent got the same time as i use to back in the days.

[Jakkre]

I'd imagine most people would be happy to play a competitive, 15v15 AB game for 20+ minutes for adequate reward; they just don't want to have to sit in Shattrath for 15-20 minutes beforehand. It's not worth it.

There is nothing to do in the capital citys to pass the time until the BG pops up. I guess thats the main issue.
That why I think it would be nice to have some additional queue NPCs in a Wpvp location or atleast somewhere where u can duell others.

[Obnoxious]

but in the original tbc there where many times more players so you could get gear fast because you got instant queues for bgs. Honor farm will still happen in AV=faster queue, but now you get no marks from the other bgs because only queue you get fast is AV. Pve players also get gear faster because of the knowledge there is to day and the faster gold progress and this does not help pvp players the same way, pvpers are stuck in the same progress rate as original tbc from now on, and you and i know thats not appealing to new players right? I im not sure that i would have played warmane if i had so little progress, i havent got the same time as i use to back in the days.

The difference in speed for gearing in PvE or PvP is irrelevant. They are separate activities, one being the main part of the game and the other a side-activity (even if for many it's their own personal main activity), and I don't think their progress is meant to be equivalent. And you're still trying to justify letting players ruin the battleground activity in general for the sake of honor gains, quicker improvement and/or less wait time. If you were to tell me the honor gains when the queue system is used properly were wrong, you would have my support. But that's not the case here and you know it. This is a textbook example of two wrongs don't make a right.

[borix]

The difference in speed for gearing in PvE or PvP is irrelevant. They are separate activities, one being the main part of the game and the other a side-activity (even if for many it's their own personal main activity), and I don't think their progress is meant to be equivalent. And you're still trying to justify letting players ruin the battleground activity in general for the sake of honor gains, quicker improvement and/or less wait time. If you were to tell me the honor gains when the queue system is used properly were wrong, you would have my support. But that's not the case here and you know it. This is a textbook example of two wrongs don't make a right.

I still get the same amount of quality bgs now as i use to now i just have to wait doing nothing in que. Why should pveers get faster progress and not pvpers, thats like saying pvpers are worth less. Im only here to play pvp. And in the long run i still think this will hurt all pvpers. And you can say that it was not intended to progress this fast in pvp but the same goes for pve, and yet you think that ok why?

[Necart]

Hi guys! Field Marshal Ravensoul here ;D
Tottaly welcomed change with new bg que system! All time if i joining one bg ill removieng other que, because when it proc and u just hideing it (not removing) your faction team at other bg is outnumbered. This change will make bg pvp more fair imho, no more bg jumpers and no more 3vs10 fights etc.
Also it should motivate ***** players to fight for their marks and honor points, with new system they cant AFK at gy with waiting another BG que proc.

[borix]

Hi guys! Field Marshal Ravensoul here ;D
Tottly welcomed change with this bg que! All time if i joining one bg ill removieng other que, because when it proc and u just hideing it (not removing) your faction team at other bg is outnumbered. This change will make bg pvp more fair imho, no more bg jumpers and no more 3vs10 fights etc.

You dont need the gear you are just here to have balanced matches, but if you play 1 hour you still only get 2-3 balanced games almost the same as before, the only difference is that you are now stuck in a major city doing nothing while waiting in que.

[Obnoxious]

I still get the same amount of quality bgs now as i use to now i just have to wait doing nothing in que.

That's unfortunate for you. The changes weren't targeting you, though, but all the people who have been complaining about the situation of battlegrounds for quite a while, which was caused by the ditchers.

Why should pveers get faster progress and not pvpers, thats like saying pvpers are worth less.

I didn't say it should be faster. I said the speed of one is irrelevant to the speed of the other, as they aren't the same activity or follow the same kind of progression. That's like saying PvPers are doing something different and what happens to PvErs progression has no place in the discussion. Or are you fine with buying "lootboxes" with honor and having a very low random chance of getting the item you want? And let's not forget having to also roll against the other players that were in the battleground and want the same item.

And in the long run i still think this will hurt all pvpers.

In the long run we will see what happens. So far it doesn't seems to be hurting the people who wanted battlegrounds to happen as they are meant to.

And you can say that it was not intended to progress this fast in pvp but the same goes for pve, and yet you think that ok why?

See the second part of my reply.

[kvernmo2]

My opinion is to reverse the update. Gonna lead to even more afking than before and "IF" horde queues are longer already, even more premades.

[Necart]

You dont need the gear you are just here to have balanced matches, but if you play 1 hour you still only get 2-3 balanced games almost the same as before, the only difference is that you are now stuck in a major city doing nothing while waiting in que.

Hmm maby you are horde player, at alliance for me its always instant bg proc with old system and with new one too.

[borix]

Why bring up lootboxes?
There is a person behind all computers or there should be, but if the person is a pvper he have to spend alot more time grinding gear so he can compete with others, compered to a pveer because hes got faster progress, because of the way warmane made the server why is this fair? And in the next patch pveers get even faster progress.

[borix]

Hmm maby you are horde player, at alliance for me its always instant bg proc with old system and with new one too.

Yes im horde :)

[hooqtko]

change is meh