It doesn't do you any good to play the what about games and the but you did it this way one time nonsense. Defend your arguments.
The simple counter argument is that players don't choose to play boomkin for the damage output. They play it because they like it and it's viable. This fix doesn't affect raid composition. You take a boomkin for its utility like you would with many other specs. You're not stacking boomkins, any decent leader would be taking one only. Parsing is a non argument because the benchmark simply changes to what it's supposed to be and a third party website has no influence on the decision making process of this server.
Prove me wrong. Bring me the evidence that this bug fix will destroy the boomkin population and make everyone quit the game. Support your arguments. Are you all going to abandon your toons to go play boomkin in its fixed state everywhere else?
Did you actually think the argument of oh it's been broken for 10 years and we got used to it so we should keep it is how life works? Oh the computer system messed up and I've been getting wired money every month for 10 years and I didn't say anything cause I liked it. It's fun when things break in my favor, but does that justify keeping it broken? You didn't think that setting it straight isn't about the past, but influencing the next decade of players to learn what a boomkin in WotLK actually is? Or did you just think about yourself and how it makes you feel today.
And now finally class balance. Make an argument why you think boomkin is the one spec that gets a special buff to their damage that as you say make it more viable yet not too powerful, but any other similar spec shouldn't receive the same treatment? Why does a boomkin get the special treatment? Can't a ret or enh shaman or demo lock get a little dps increase as well? Wouldn't that be more fun? I mean why not just match the damage of all classes as close as we can so they're all viable and we can take whatever we want to raids?
The problem is you're all advocating it's this positive great thing you love, but I can have that opinion on any custom modification. The 200 pages of suggestion threads in this forum are just wish lists of what people think would be fun. That's neat, but you need a little bit more than just "I like it".
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I don't understand why game devs are transferring the changes that were introduced in the classic version of WOTLK to the version of WOTLK from 2010. While we're at it, let's move all the changes to game mechanics like hunter trap launcher, retri taunt glyph and etc. Disagree? Then what is the point of these changes? Either transfer all the changes to class mechanics, or don't touch them and leave them in the format they were in 2010 version of the game.
Pls revert last warrior and boomie class / mechanic changes
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I understand this is a rethorical question, but it's a wrong question so I will answer it nonetheless.
Under section 54 of the metropolitan police act 1839, it is illegal in the UK to carry any timber, plank or bar of wood along a footway if not done for purpose of loading or unloading.
Long story short - you cant carry wood on the sidewalk in UK, it's against the law. The statue has never been revoked.
Do you see where I'm getting at?
You are saying because the law is being broken development ceased. I am saying exactly the opposite, just like most of the people in this thread.
Just like the london police don't enforce cited act, players are trying to push the mods in a direction playerbase enjoys more.
The mentioned act isn't getting enforced and that is progression, the act, while valid, doesn't help the society - the bug, while valid, doesn't help the raiders.
Police not enforcing that law benefits society. If police would enforce that law, the public would pressure the government to get rid of that silly law that doesn't serve any purpose. - in comparison - You are seeing the playerbase ask why can't mods revert the bug if reverting it would mean no problems and it would make the playerbase happy?
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Just FYI the mods aren't the judge or jury on this as it states in the suggestion forum rules. I see what you're trying to say although in this instance the bug was affecting gameplay and developers couldn't change it as the issue wasn't fully known. I think you could actually make a better argument that players concealed the bug and used it as an exploit and should in return be punished by having the bug fixed. The future player base wouldn't know the difference so there would also be no problem and people would be just as happy. Except now it's fixed like it would've been since always and this discussion would've never existed.
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I agree with OP, i'm all for class diversity and this 'fix' isnt helping at all
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This is going to come off stronger than it's meant to, I guess I'm just as bad with writing as you are...
I'm gonna summarize it with your own words and add to them by saying it doesn't do you any good to play the what if game.
I appreciate your answer but next time if you decide to answer at least put some wheat inbetween all that chaff - it seems to me like you are unwilling or unable to hold a real conversation, so if that stays the same I will just ignore you from now on.
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What in the actual hell does carrying wood on a Victorian sidewalk have to do with Balance Druid nerfs in World of Warcraft?
Are Boomkins supposed to moonfire with a plank now? Is Omen of Clarity getting replaced with Omen of Carpentry?
This thread is about a bug fix that nuked Druid DPS, not about 1839 Britain outlawing sidewalk lumberjacking. Unless Balance Druids are now considered illegal street furniture, I don’t see the connection. You’re out here building a metaphor so complex I need a history degree and a construction permit just to follow it.
Can we go back to talking about spells and raid logs instead of Victorian lumber crimes?
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You didn't say anything about the argument. You just used ad hominem attacks. That's how I know I've won.
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You are cool and funny guy, thanks for making me giggle :p
"What in the actual hell does carrying wood on a Victorian sidewalk have to do with Balance Druid nerfs in World of Warcraft?"
You must have been devastated when you read the question my answer was addressing. What does ceasement of all progress have to do with boomi nerfs?
I suppose my metaphore could be chosen better (I think I said it somewhere that I'm not that great with words, I'm more of an action-type), but I won't concede it as an obstacle big enough it hinders the conversation. It's easy enough to understand.
Thanks again for this gold, I would award your comment if there were such features, all in all your answer is funny little joke and I appreciate it :)
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Dude, are they paying you to answer to everyone? Why are you so butthurt on this to invest this much of your time LOL
You speak with all this professionalism, but let's check few things:
1) You said you played years of Balance Druid, you claim to play it better than others, but yet you haven't noticed this bug or you did and you joined the rest in "exploit-ing". This is your logic btw, you are a dirty exploiter for using 2 set tier 10.
2) "A decent leader would be taking one only" - Wrong. Inexperienced player detected, opinion rejected.
3) Simple argument he says and then he says "people play it because its viable". Yes, I agree. And now after the change it is less viable. Is that a fact? It is. You want it or not, damage is part of viability. The fact that it's worse at supporting now, due to stealing mana, is also another factor of making it less viable. If you try to counter argument this with your non arguments, you should honestly get banned from being able to respond in this thread to not flood further.
4) You can deny parsing, but your one man army opinion is extremely irrelevant and lost in volume in comparison with the 100k entries provided from Lordaeron & Icecrown.
5) "Prove me wrong. Bring me the evidence that this bug fix will destroy the boomkin population and make everyone quit the game"
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. Obviously not everyone will stop playing Boomie or stop playing at all. But it will cause a damage. Damage at what magnitude will be considered to be a damage? 5%? 10%? 15%? More? The fact that it will cause damage is there, it doesn't require the whole world to stop playing the class.
6) Yeah, I also think that the argument of "it worked this way for 10 years" is good enough. I also think that the satisfaction of current playerbase has bigger value than who will join the server in the future. Satisfying your current customers is what will attract more players tomorrow, not the opposite.
7) No one but people like you would cry if demo or enha were buffed as well. It would change absolutely nothing or it wouldn't break absolutely anything in the game (in the PVE aspect, in PVP it might get trickier with Enha). Demo is known to be useless, just SP bot, thats why its hard to find one. And Enha is just not viable and not taken anywhere (at least on Lordaeron). The only time you see a an Enha Shaman is when when 1 Resto Shaman swaps to DPS but even then, thats usually an Elemental Shaman and not Enha. Gonna ignore this part as well where you say "lets match the dmg of all classes" since its just exaggerated as well like some of the other non sense you are saying.
8) I think people gave a lot more than just "I like it", but that seems to be the only thing that your brain can process. Keep it up.
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As much as I love to see boomies cry, this change sucks and should be reverted
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I'm on bedrest for an injury so I'm bored. But this topic interests me.
I played during a different era when the game was more challenging. The point though with the knowledge of the bug is that players active today with balance druids suddenly rushed to the forums to argue to undo this fix. It's just a little bit suspicious. I'm not part of that group.
The PvE ladder seems to speak otherwise. You take one boomy for the buff. Are you really going to argue with me that taking an extra boomy for the mediocre damage is the ideal composition? You can if that's what you have, but I guess people don't game anymore.
Which leads into the point that the damage output in this scenario doesn't change why or why not you take it to a raid. It has a utility. It's not the only spec like that either.
Not denying parsing. I'm saying it can't be used as a reason to keep the buffed damage.
You can't provide evidence it will damage the boomkin population. That's the point. You can have that opinion, but without proving it here then it's null for your case to revert the fix.
I don't recall boomkins ever taken seriously as a dps even with this bug. Maybe you haven't got that far in the game yet. That's why I think this is all so funny because boomkins were always the joke of the raid. I just want a chicken to buff my mage damage lol. You're probably a veteran boomkin, sorry I hurt your feelings we really need your buff errrr I mean insane damage.
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pretty much every single raid uses 2 boomies, 3 is more common than one. the 2nd boomie is nice for adds on dbs with the 2 typhoons and 2 starfalls, they are also liked for lod because they are good at handling spheres and clearing rooms, and for typhoon on vile spirits. Damage-wise they obviously always were behind mages, but a very good boomie could beat mediocre mages, which is the perfect spot for a support specc to be in.
I do like however how you say that you played boomie, were always the only boomie in the raid and boomies were always the joke of the raid and didnt do damage. This might not be entirely down to the potential of the specc.
and I still dont see how you saying that boomie was already horrible, supports that they should be even worse?
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1) You are not even playing anymore, doesn't surprise me at all after reading the things you have said so far
2) You made claims about parsers, about the 1% of population and what not previously and now you are using the PVE Ladder as an example, which is the 1% of the 1%? 10 out of 10 example to use a speed kill composition as an example, when we are talking about the remaining 99.9% of the population.
And also, if there was more than 1 Balance Druid there, you would have said that it's a proof for Boomies to be overpowered.
3) "You can't provide evidence it will damage the boomkin population. That's the point."
Another brainrot take. You can go ahead and prove me otherwise then, since you are that confident.
4) You not only proved that you are inexperienced, you also admitted to be inactive, last played "during a different era". It's hard to take you seriously.
5) Continue refreshing the page until you see a new comment to which you can repeat your same answer with different words.
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I don't know how shifting to lashing out at me really helps your argument to revert this fix, but ok. Trying to discredit me only introduces fallacy to your position as that actually isn't a variable in winning the case. I'd appreciate if you stop deviating and avoiding making an actual argument against the fix.
What you need to defend is your claim that a decent leader would want more than one boomkin. PvE ladder is one example, but every reputable website and guide states just one. You set up your raid comp this way in progression as well. Explain in detail with your knowledge of the spec why I would want more than one if given the option of setting up an ideal composition.
This actually raises another question. If you guys are taking 2 or 3 boomkins to raids creating a less than ideal composition then wouldn't having less boomkins actually contribute to a healthier raid environment? Wouldn't this mean boomkins would play classes that did increased damage and filled those crucial roles?
You can't turn around my request for evidence. The bug is already fixed so you're the one that needs to prove your claim. Which you can't. That's why it's a bad argument to have the fix undone.
