Enhancement 4.3.4 Discussion

[repulepud]

Is it worth to roll a enh shaman for pvp?

It's great for 1 shooting people in bg, probably even more so than retris.

[vanaema]

Lets cross our fingers that Maelstrom Weapon proc rate will be fixed in the next update.

[Juggertank]

Lets cross our fingers that Maelstrom Weapon proc rate will be fixed in the next update.

lets pray for more fixes than that.

[Ghoulers]

lets pray for more fixes than that.

Yeah they hit like a truck regardless of resilience.

When one of those bugged things come around in bgs the entire team needs to cc that **** to prevent them from one shooting us all.

I honestly don't know how people think that they are fine. Maybe they believe themselves to be so skillful that everyone dies instantly.

[vanaema]

Oh yeah and Templars Verdict can do 68k hits and more on bgs as well.
Or how i got 3 insta casts of Templars Verdict 37k, 38k and 43k. 118k damage i made with a fully geared vic pala. Flametongue totem actually should give us one bigger hit than these 2 hits. Someone even said on the bugtracker that it was some devs way of improving the low damage, what flametongue totem did. It still doesn't do the damage it should do even when it hits 2 times.

[Lolmaru]

Juggertank why do you always bash other classes . omg a shaman was on top in a BG for once. It wasn't a human paladin?? Let's QQ moar. Ret paladins get there shine this patch. Wait till mop. Where they are just average at best.

[vanaema]

You can even watch retail videos of shamans crits in BG, they do 100k hits, but oh wait are they bugged there too? Omg could it be that blizzard is corrupted??? So if full vic retri pala does solidly 25k, 30k, 37k,38k and 43k , it's normal. Retri palas can do huge crits, even more bigger crits in bg under buffs.

[Hannzo]

could anyone explain me from where did that 76k came from ? either it's double use trinket abuse, or i got no idea how it is possible.

also jugger, why do you qq only on enha shamans ? where's that enha stats, like bers buff, gears - etc ?
why there's not a single post from you about ridiculous paladin damage ? oh right excuse me, we're not allowed to discuss bull**** paladin damage, which is double of enhas damage, and double, and sometimes triple damage of another projects.

Vanaema - you're a bit wrong here too, 76k is kind'a high .. but still it's nowhere near 100k+ crits from paladins in bg's.

jugger, how about bis end-game pve gears, like priests doing over 120k mind blasts ? is it legit ? how about hunters 4-shooting ? well, it's obvious that you're an ordinary shaman hater, who's too used to underpowered enhancements since cata went live.. well hey bro - i got extremely bad news for you ... there are some fixes inc for enha shamans ..

just few minutes ago hunter shoots for constant 30k+ chimera shots 25k kill shots, while my maximum lavalash crit is 22.4k, with avg 8.8k per hit (26 hits). stormstrike 10k max, 4k(!!!) avg per hit from main hand, offhand hits for 900-1100, WF procs maximum 10.1k avg 4.7k, WF procs - 10.6k max (1) 3.6k avg. ... 384ilvl full last seasons arena gear, 12313 ATP un-buffed, bg buffs, wolves, orcs racial + burst trinket (384 ilvl one..) too op please nerf.

*** hemmorhage hits **** for 38241 (critical), followed by 41k backstab ... please, qq more jugger.

[vanaema]

Well i'm sure that enh shaman was very geared, plus if it was in a bg with buffs, flask and berserk, that damage is doable just look videos how they were in retail, but ofc it can't be compared to retris damage what they do with every single hit. Rogues are too bugged here, my friend who is playing rogue here and on retail, says rogues here don't need any skills. They can take over half of your hp down in seconds.

[crispi]

Hey dont tell me you are one of those kids that say "duel my pally" when they lose duels with some alt, then pwn you with the pally and are like "take that you damn noob".

Stop talking **** about a class if you get killed by some exploiter, ok? What you have just shown is not realistic at all.

http://armory.molten-wow.com/character-profile/Nma/Warsong/

This dude has cataclysm weapons, ruthless set + 7 cata pieces. I have ruthless weapons, cataclysm set, 2 more cata pieces and the rest as ruthless. So, his cata weapons vs my cata set, not that much difference.

I've tested a few lava lash hits on 4200 resilience dk, 5 searing totem stacks, talented and glyphed. 15k normal damage. 26k critical damage. There is no legit way to do 76k lava lash, at least on molten.

[Hannzo]

I've tested a few lava lash hits on 4200 resilience dk, 5 searing totem stacks, talented and glyphed. 15k normal damage. 26k critical damage. There is no legit way to do 76k lava lash, at least on molten.

26k under all conditions is TOOO OP please nerf. with full ruth 384ilvl- i'm damn lucky to crit for at least 16-22k.

[Ghoulers]

I've tested a few lava lash hits on 4200 resilience dk, 5 searing totem stacks, talented and glyphed. 15k normal damage. 26k critical damage. There is no legit way to do 76k lava lash, at least on molten.

It happens a lot in bgs, but it may be some sort of exploit yeah.

Getting 70k crits on 4.3k resil

[Hannzo]

It happens a lot in bgs, but it may be some sort of exploit yeah.

Getting 70k crits on 4.3k resil

with No'Kaled- elements of death (403 MH) and s11t2 elite weapon (410 ofhand for lavalash) i still CANNOT PASS 27K . there is NO way to do 50k+ crit, who, and where are you getting those from ? my maximum crit ever with full burst, a guild premade @ bg (a while ago....) with all buffs, on 0 resil green geared 100k hp rogue - 73k.

individuals like this guy here


makes enha shamans look bad. he constantly abuses 2x cata 403 ilvl trinkets.

so again, hunters shooting 45k + ? LOLWUT ? paladins doing 2x retail, and 2x (server we all know about..) damage is totally legit.

Enha shamans does LOWER damage here than intended!

my gawd how much butthurt there will be, after enhas Maelstrom ppm will be fixed ... uhh jugger .. just wait for it.. plays the most broken class on molten since it went live (i mean a class, which is doing 2x damage of intended one, and presents for like ... 7+ months ?) never talks about bull**** damage of retri palas. simply never. oh well yo'all wanna your class to be OP, you can only qq about negative bugs.
once (on 4.0.6) there was epic bug with WF weapon imbue .. i could do 100k dps pretty much anywhere by pressing 1 button. i did not play my shaman till it got fixed, altough i could solo anything - and any bracket back then.

please, pop bubble and and 3shot everyone in los. gg thanks.

just to be clear - this is a attitude disrespect of some players, not about molten in general.


http://armory.molten-wow.com/charact...e/Nma/Warsong/
armory of that guy, who did tat 76k, as we can see - both weapons are s11t2.
jugger where are other ss'es, like auras gained ? yet the tough calculation paladin guy throws in rng ss.
i will never believe, that this was done without bers buff and / or double trinkets + fully bg/raid buffed, under all procs / anything.

do i need to post screenshots from last season, where im getting constant 70+ (up to 120k) paladin crits ?
what about 115k mind blasts on 4.3k resil ? is that fine too ? jugger where are you ? i really wanna read your answer.

[Ghoulers]

please, pop bubble and and 3shot everyone in los. gg thanks.

I never said that paladins were not bugged, i just sad that shamans seem to be.

Paladins deal a ******ed amount of damage too, i don't know if that's how it's supposed to be, i assume that blizzard cant into balance and that this server will may not be like retail (never played retail).

Paladins are also notorious for popping everything and 3 shooting whatever they can reach, but it's still a bit slower than shamans, and they can be cced.

Shamans can't be feared or stunned, but they can root you so it's awesome to loose 40% hp per hit.

I don't expect it to be fixed, people who play classes with questionable damage (although most classes can some times do some funny damage) believe themselves to be really skillful and don't want to think that they are bugged.


Also i don't care that much if maesltrom gets fixed, they kill so fast already that we need a healer and at least couple of people to control them anyways.

A bit of a buff won't be the end of the world as long as they can't kill you so fast that you can't blow all your cds to stay alive :P

[Hannzo]

I never said that paladins were not bugged, i just sad that shamans seem to be.

Paladins deal a ******ed amount of damage too, i don't know if that's how it's supposed to be, i assume that blizzard cant into balance and that this server will may not be like retail (never played retail).

Paladins are also notorious for popping everything and 3 shooting whatever they can reach, but it's still a bit slower than shamans, and they can be cced.

Shamans can't be feared or stunned, but they can root you so it's awesome to loose 40% hp per hit.

I don't expect it to be fixed, people who play classes with questionable damage (although most classes can some times do some funny damage) believe themselves to be really skillful and don't want to think that they are bugged.


Also i don't care that much if maesltrom gets fixed, they kill so fast already that we need a healer and at least couple of people to control them anyways.

A bit of a buff won't be the end of the world as long as they can't kill you so fast that you can't blow all your cds to stay alive :P

0 info about your char, 0 info about "40% hp with 1 hit". nothing to argue about with you after "cannot be feared", do you even realize that (shadow priests) fear aint got dimmishing ? do you at least know what is it ? just today spent 18 seconds in fear by a single spriest as a rogue @ tolbarad. k thanks.

1-4 enha shamans per whole motlen can really be a pain, and you come to forum to brag about how op we are ? do you at least know how does enha work, to pull-off some crit damage ? no ? can you only argue like a jugger "most easiest dps in game" ? this is why every single enha is topping bg charts ? this is why every single enha is rank1-20 in arenas ? it's totally NOT like only on molten ret paladins can go up to rank 1.

meeh i've chnaged my mind. please less "noobs" and pve players in this thread. k thanks.

/love to all'yo shaman haters thinking how pro you are, and how "noobish" shamans are for killing you, a pro.

would love to see your face, after you got 1shoted by an pve spriest with over 120k mind blast on 4.4k resil, or a ret under a bubble, 3shoting healers in los.. sadly i've lost my over 5 gig folder with screenshots about rets (my hdd burned down..) so yeah.. i cannot post any screenshots atm.