[Lore] Which race is physically the strongest?

[Kinnareou]

As the Op said, the physical strongest playable races are Taurens and dwarves, and it's reflected in the game. Game statistics are based on the lore and I don't understand why some people reject it. Some people insist that the orcs are the strongest, but nowhere say that they are the strongest, and I'm only talking now about physical strenght, because if we talk about the powerful armies, taurens are the strongest race, but they have a weak army and centaur almost exterminate them.

Orcs were a powerful army because the fel powers from the burning legion, that made them able even to beat the ogres (Who are much physical stronger) in draenor: They won for the number, marcial and magic powers, not for the strenght!

And for the orc's fans: They aren't the physical strongest race (And actually they aren't even a strong army), if you want not accept it, you will deceive yourselves.

Game statistics don't count because that's recent racial balance content. Race stats are different in Vanilla: Orcs have 23 while dwarves are 22. The OP clearly said lore so never ever use game stats because by that logic, I can also use Warcraft 1, 2, and 3 game stats to define lore showings. Game stats is poor evidence at best and dubious evidence at worst.

I repeat, the most physically strongest.
Trolls has much less body mass and muscles then Nelfs, humans however comes to a close tie. It's basically about who could lift the heaviest rock, or beat the other in a fist fight, unless I missunderstood the thread

The Mogu deemed the Zandalari their equal, or at least respected their strength. That must mean the trolls are signigicantly strong enough to impress the Mogu. What lore proof says Trolls have less mass then Nelfs when Trolls and Nelfs are basically related?

[Delenis]

Game statistics don't count because that's recent racial balance content. Race stats are different in Vanilla: Orcs have 23 while dwarves are 22. The OP clearly said lore so never ever use game stats because by that logic, I can also use Warcraft 1, 2, and 3 game stats to define lore showings. Game stats is poor evidence at best and dubious evidence at worst.

I have never read in the lore than orcs are stronger than Dwarves in physical strenght, so I had to consider the statistics of the game and the Stone form of dwarves. In the lore it's also specified that the dwarves are very strong.

[Kinnareou]

I have never read in the lore than orcs are stronger than Dwarves in physical strenght, so I had to consider the statistics of the game and the Stone form of dwarves. In the lore it's also specified that the dwarves are very strong.

And neither have I read that orcs are stronger --> but it should be noted that orcs were never compared to dwarves in lore either. Stone form doesn't even add strength: it makes you more resilient. I think you're confusing strength and resiliency here. In lore orcs are also stated to be very strong btw what I don't get is how these vague descriptions automatically make you assume dwarves > orcs in terms of pure physical strength.

[Orthodox92]

The OP asked for the race.with the most physical strength.
Physical strength has hardly anything to do with who would win in a fight because in a fight its not only the brute power that matters but also the fighting skills and the equipment.
A Strongman is physical stronger than a master of Martial Arts but he would probably still lose in a 1vs1 battle.

Its obvious that a Tauren is physical stronger than the other playable races. It doesn't mean that the Tauren would necessarily win a fight.

Completly agree with u. From my pov when there would be an arm wrestling competition, where is physical strenght is only thing that matters my favourites would be Taurens. Dwarves after them, orcs...(lazy to write more).

[ebae]

this thread is literally racist.

[Ironbible]

Straight from the lore

When the Horde arrived in Loch Modan, AFTER destroying Stormwind & slaughtering everyone who didn't escape to Southshore via boat, the IRONFORGE DWARVES LOCKED THE GATES TO IRONFORGE.

IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE PALADINS ARRIVED ON THE BATTLEFIELD DID THE ALLIANCE WIN A SINGLE BATTLE

But they're physically stronger right? A strong militia mobilizes in the event of a threat. Not hide.


But they had bloodlust? Excuse me a majority of the first Orcs to travel into Azeroth were Frostwolf Orcs (who didn't partake in the drinking if Mannaroths blood) also Trolls, Goblins, & Orges didn't drink the blood. Tauren weren't even apart of the Horde at this point, neither were elves or Undeads

You're really making urself seem a fool by just saying vague statements that make no sense, you're defending your favorite race. Clearly ur biased.

End of discussion. The savage races of the Horde are always going to be physically stronger. Its the amplifiers (like arcane magic & the holy light) that evens the battlefield. Do the logical thing and stop arguing; next time I post ill just slap you with text straight from the lore ...oh wait.

[Ironbible]

I have never read in the lore than orcs are stronger than Dwarves in physical strenght, so I had to consider the statistics of the game and the Stone form of dwarves. In the lore it's also specified that the dwarves are very strong.

>statistics
This is the lore.
>stoneform
Resistance/resilience
>says dwarves are strong
The game describes every race with positive adjectives in every opening cinematic. Just cause you read one time a dwarf was strong is no logical reason to declare they are the strongest race.

[Orthodox92]

Straight from the lore

When the Horde arrived in Loch Modan, AFTER destroying Stormwind & slaughtering everyone who didn't escape to Southshore via boat, the IRONFORGE DWARVES LOCKED THE GATES TO IRONFORGE.

IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE PALADINS ARRIVED ON THE BATTLEFIELD DID THE ALLIANCE WIN A SINGLE BATTLE

But they're physically stronger right? A strong militia mobilizes in the event of a threat. Not hide.


But they had bloodlust? Excuse me a majority of the first Orcs to travel into Azeroth were Frostwolf Orcs (who didn't partake in the drinking if Mannaroths blood) also Trolls, Goblins, & Orges didn't drink the blood. Tauren weren't even apart of the Horde at this point, neither were elves or Undeads

You're really making urself seem a fool by just saying vague statements that make no sense, you're defending your favorite race. Clearly ur biased.

End of discussion. The savage races of the Horde are always going to be physically stronger. Its the amplifiers (like arcane magic & the holy light) that evens the battlefield. Do the logical thing and stop arguing; next time I post ill just slap you with text straight from the lore ...oh wait.

Ill quote Jakkre again "Physical strength has hardly anything to do with who would win in a fight because in a fight its not only the brute power that matters but also the fighting skills and the equipment."

[Delenis]

The savage races of the Horde are always going to be physically stronger.

Once again: NO!
With what you say about the draenei, you lose credibility.
Only taurens are stronger for their big size and 500-600kg weight.

And neither have I read that orcs are stronger --> but it should be noted that orcs were never compared to dwarves in lore either. Stone form doesn't even add strength: it makes you more resilient. I think you're confusing strength and resiliency here. In lore orcs are also stated to be very strong btw what I don't get is how these vague descriptions automatically make you assume dwarves > orcs in terms of pure physical strength.

In warcraft 3 the mountain king in Stone-form increase alot his damage and strenght, making him capable of beating the hero tauren twice in a row (For the tauren reincarnation). Stone form in wow is nerf for the ''balance''

Ill quote Jakkre again "Physical strength has hardly anything to do with who would win in a fight because in a fight its not only the brute power that matters but also the fighting skills and the equipment."

True, Gnomes would beat taurens for this reason x'D



Fire weapons > strenght.

[Lynea]

Why don't you guys just go and make a thread about which race has the largest dicks.

[Pallzdani]

Why don't you guys just go and make a thread about which race has the largest dicks.

Because that's unfair on the gnomes :>

[Ironbible]

Ill quote Jakkre again "Physical strength has hardly anything to do with who would win in a fight because in a fight its not only the brute power that matters but also the fighting skills and the equipment."

Exactly my point. A dwarf with the Holy light at his finger tips is going to smash a simple Orc warrior.
But that is the holy light. Not his brute strength.

A gnome mage kills a troll warrior.
Physically the troll is stronger, the magic is the equalizer.

[Ironbible]

Once again: NO!
With what you say about the draenei, you lose credibility.
Only taurens are stronger for their big size and 500-600kg weight.



In warcraft 3 the mountain king in Stone-form increase alot his damage and strenght, making him capable of beating the hero tauren twice in a row (For the tauren reincarnation). Stone form in wow is nerf for the ''balance''




True, Gnomes would beat taurens for this reason x'D



Fire weapons > strenght.

What did I say about Draeni? I said they would have low bone density and weak muscles from hyperspace traveling. That is real-world scientific fact, bub. http://m.space.com/9480-space-travel...ine-bones.html

As for stoneform, since you want to go on about that, the Orcs have bloodlust.

Now tell me who wins? :)

You say nothing about the fact they locked their doors to the Orcs. Please tell me why if they are stronger. You say nothing about them slaughtering the entire city of Stormwind. THE CITY. Guards and all. No magic was used, that day it was pure brute strength, Orcs Warriors and rogue's. The warlocks came later and reanimated the corpses into the first DeathKnights.

So explain. We have 1. An example of the dwarves cowering in fear of Orcs. 2. An example of what a clan of Orcs can do to a city. But you cannot find me one example were a Orc stands down to a dwarf.

I'll say this; even if the dwarf was stronger, even if the Horde knew their city would get destroyed, they wouldn't lock the doors like scared baby's. Just like Doomhammer at Blackrock "Give me Victory or Give me Death" and guess what? He splattered Lothars brain all over the battlefield. Got captured, escaped, rallied the Horde and went along destroying Alliance settlements until he was shot by an arrow as he rode away.

Dwarves are fat nasty drunks with no honor. You cannot tell me one great story like that about a Dwarf, otherwise you would have by now.

Even if you want to think Orcs are weaker, at least we don't cry in fear .

[Delenis]

What did I say about Draeni? I said they would have low bone density and weak muscles from hyperspace traveling. That is real-world scientific fact, bub. http://m.space.com/9480-space-travel...ine-bones.html

As for stoneform, since you want to go on about that, the Orcs have bloodlust.

Now tell me who wins? :)

You say nothing about the fact they locked their doors to the Orcs. Please tell me why if they are stronger. You say nothing about them slaughtering the entire city of Stormwind. THE CITY. Guards and all. No magic was used, that day it was pure brute strength, Orcs Warriors and rogue's. The warlocks came later and reanimated the corpses into the first DeathKnights.

So explain. We have 1. An example of the dwarves cowering in fear of Orcs. 2. An example of what a clan of Orcs can do to a city. But you cannot find me one example were a Orc stands down to a dwarf.

I'll say this; even if the dwarf was stronger, even if the Horde knew their city would get destroyed, they wouldn't lock the doors like scared baby's. Just like Doomhammer at Blackrock "Give me Victory or Give me Death" and guess what? He splattered Lothars brain all over the battlefield. Got captured, escaped, rallied the Horde and went along destroying Alliance settlements until he was shot by an arrow as he rode away.

Dwarves are fat nasty drunks with no honor. You cannot tell me one great story like that about a Dwarf, otherwise you would have by now.

Even if you want to think Orcs are weaker, at least we don't cry in fear .

Hordes don't lock the doors like scared babys??? Ask to Garrosh in SOO.

Orc have blood lust, but they are flesh and bone, they can't be stronger than a Stone animated warrior which can weigh 1 ton.

I'll say this; even if the dwarf was stronger, even if the Horde knew their city would get destroyed, they wouldn't lock the doors like scared baby's. Just like Doomhammer at Blackrock "Give me Victory or Give me Death" and guess what? He splattered Lothars brain all over the battlefield.

once again, you're confusing the strength with winning a fight, Lothar killed hundreds of orcs before fall in combat, and this doesn't means he's phisically stronger than a orc, but more skilled.

Dwarves are fat nasty drunks with no honor. You cannot tell me one great story like that about a Dwarf, otherwise you would have by now.

Read this:

1º http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Muradin_Bronzebeard

2º http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/race/dwarf

''The bold and courageous dwarves are an ancient race descended from the earthen''

''Led by King Magni Bronzebeard, the city’s resilient inhabitants proved to be the backbone of the Alliance forces, helping to secure victory after victory against the orcs.''



Dwarves are one of the most skilled warriors in the battle, and possibly the most powerful army.

Even if you want to think Orcs are weaker, at least we don't cry in fear .

Didn't they cry in fear? :D



You can be a fanboy of orcs, but you must know that they LOST and MORE ORCS DIED than any other races during the second war. Actually they are one of the less numerous and near of extintion race.

P.S: Draeneis were in a interdimensional ship, not floating in 0 gravity. You said they are ''fat and low muscle and bone density'', then, explain me why they appear to be bodybuilders on steroids in game, cinematics and pictures :D

[Ironbible]

Hordes don't lock the doors like scared babys??? Ask to Garrosh in SOO.

Orc have blood lust, but they are flesh and bone, they can't be stronger than a Stone animated warrior which can weigh 1 ton.



once again, you're confusing the strength with winning a fight, Lothar killed hundreds of orcs before fall in combat, and this doesn't means he's phisically stronger than a orc, but more skilled.



Read this:

1º http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Muradin_Bronzebeard

2º http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/race/dwarf

''The bold and courageous dwarves are an ancient race descended from the earthen''

''Led by King Magni Bronzebeard, the city’s resilient inhabitants proved to be the backbone of the Alliance forces, helping to secure victory after victory against the orcs.''



Dwarves are one of the most skilled warriors in the battle, and possibly the most powerful army.



Didn't they cry in fear? :D



You can be a fanboy of orcs, but you must know that they LOST and MORE ORCS DIED than any other races during the second war. Actually they are one of the less numerous and near of extintion race.

P.S: Draeneis were in a interdimensional ship, not floating in 0 gravity. You said they are ''fat and low muscle and bone density'', then, explain me why they appear to be bodybuilders on steroids in game, cinematics and pictures :D

Garrosh is a little ***** an account for 0% of what being an Orc is about.

Look at Draeni's legs, they are boney, and look at The Prophet Valen, he's a twig.

Also Orcs aren't near extinction? Lol yes many Orcs died, but there were probably 20 times as many Orcs in Draenor than humans and dwarves on Azeroth.

Also from Blizzard, actually followed your link to find it.

"After their arrival, the orcs crushed the unsuspecting human kingdom of Stormwind. The mighty orc armies, known as the Horde, then pressed north through the Eastern Kingdoms, and their victory was nearly assured for a time. Eventually, however, internal conflicts resulted in the orcs’ defeat, and those who did not die in battle were rounded up and placed in internment camps. But a young slave named Thrall managed to escape from captivity and join a liberation force consisting of Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer and other free orcs. When Doomhammer fell in combat, Thrall became the new warchief of the Horde and the inheritor of Doomhammer’s namesake weapon"

See? Also Lothar didn't slay 1,000s of Orcs. He killed the ones he had to but he was a peaceful man who didn't believe in killing. If he knocked an orc unconscious he left him or captured him. Many Orcs died, but not at the hands of Lothar. Many paladins are pacifist. I know my lore more so than you do. That is why I have the correct answer and you assume youre right with the wrong. I think its also note worthy that the stoneform you keep speaking about is none existant. All dwarves do not have the ability to turn themselves into Titans-like beings. Its doesn't happen. They have exceptionally rough skin. That's about it. It in no way increases strength. To achieve the stoneform they have to have access to Titan knowledge/enerigies or relics. I would say that isn't very common an also a multiplier like the Holy light.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Curse_of_Flesh

P.S. Draeni traveled for millennia running from Kiljaden and the Burning Legion. They never stayed in one place to long before he found them. So once again you're wrong.

Btw, Dwarves are my favorite race. Hurah. So once again you're wrong. Trust me, I know the lore better than you.