poll about merge

[Exista]

Great 1v1 we had there. Was a challenge.

[BakuraLord]

@Exista Careful or he will show you his 2.8k rating (cof cof 1300).

[Trebelz]

These very few people believe that this whole expansion/server revolves around them. This is a PRIVATE server. It is made to have different set of expansions and it is what Warmane specializes in(WOTLK/CATA/MOP). So what? All of you pro-merge who has voiced your wants has all said something along the lines of being bored of this expansion. You want the admins and such to just obey you. So you get tired of CATA and you want it to merge with MOP and shutdown cata realm, then what? After a while you get tired of MOP then you want them to make the next expansion and merge MOP with it and shut down the former MOP realm? Not just the fact that people enjoy this server, but has used their hard-earned money to not only help this server but to have end game items for THIS expansion... not MOP expansion or nothing else. So who is really being selfish here? You only care about you you you. What of the others who like this expansion or put money into it? I mean I do not believe they will be refunded each and every last one of their coins or be given an MOP endgame equivalent of their choice. If all of you who wants this merge actually have empathy then show us your out-of-pocket donation history as well as end game items that you have bought with your money for your Cataclysm toon. If you can't show it because you don't have it then you can't even fathom why some people are against the merge, but also others who just like this expansion. You don't wanna lose your toons that you worked hard on and people don't want to lose their favorite EXPANSION or their MONEY. Of course there is no point of me typing this as it has already been stated that such a merge is NOWHERE in the foreseeable future, but I just wanted to shed some light on the minority of you. Empathy.

[Natehigs]

These very few people believe that this whole expansion/server revolves around them. This is a PRIVATE server. It is made to have different set of expansions and it is what Warmane specializes in(WOTLK/CATA/MOP). So what? All of you pro-merge who has voiced your wants has all said something along the lines of being bored of this expansion. You want the admins and such to just obey you. So you get tired of CATA and you want it to merge with MOP and shutdown cata realm, then what? After a while you get tired of MOP then you want them to make the next expansion and merge MOP with it and shut down the former MOP realm? Not just the fact that people enjoy this server, but has used their hard-earned money to not only help this server but to have end game items for THIS expansion... not MOP expansion or nothing else. So who is really being selfish here? You only care about you you you. What of the others who like this expansion or put money into it? I mean I do not believe they will be refunded each and every last one of their coins or be given an MOP endgame equivalent of their choice. If all of you who wants this merge actually have empathy then show us your out-of-pocket donation history as well as end game items that you have bought with your money for your Cataclysm toon. If you can't show it because you don't have it then you can't even fathom why some people are against the merge, but also others who just like this expansion. You don't wanna lose your toons that you worked hard on and people don't want to lose their favorite EXPANSION or their MONEY. Of course there is no point of me typing this as it has already been stated that such a merge is NOWHERE in the foreseeable future, but I just wanted to shed some light on the minority of you. Empathy.

Too long; Didn't read.

[BakuraLord]

Too long; Didn't read.

Well you should, he made a really good point. But since you didn't even read I hope you don't expect people to care about your opinions for now on.

[-Hari-]

These very few people believe that this whole expansion/server revolves around them. This is a PRIVATE server. It is made to have different set of expansions and it is what Warmane specializes in(WOTLK/CATA/MOP). So what? All of you pro-merge who has voiced your wants has all said something along the lines of being bored of this expansion. You want the admins and such to just obey you. So you get tired of CATA and you want it to merge with MOP and shutdown cata realm, then what? After a while you get tired of MOP then you want them to make the next expansion and merge MOP with it and shut down the former MOP realm? Not just the fact that people enjoy this server, but has used their hard-earned money to not only help this server but to have end game items for THIS expansion... not MOP expansion or nothing else. So who is really being selfish here? You only care about you you you. What of the others who like this expansion or put money into it? I mean I do not believe they will be refunded each and every last one of their coins or be given an MOP endgame equivalent of their choice. If all of you who wants this merge actually have empathy then show us your out-of-pocket donation history as well as end game items that you have bought with your money for your Cataclysm toon. If you can't show it because you don't have it then you can't even fathom why some people are against the merge, but also others who just like this expansion. You don't wanna lose your toons that you worked hard on and people don't want to lose their favorite EXPANSION or their MONEY. Of course there is no point of me typing this as it has already been stated that such a merge is NOWHERE in the foreseeable future, but I just wanted to shed some light on the minority of you. Empathy.

Dont waste your time with explaining them , they dont even read it cuz its more then 4 sentences...

[entrapement]

I actually supported the OP's idea of a vote. You guys say "blahblahblah not everyone gets on the forums blahblahblah"...however, the decision that has been made is based on the select few that did get on the forum. AKA, you guys. Yep, you guys that came in here to bash and completely derail the thread's agenda.

Sadly, I think it's too late to make any headway in repairing Neltharian to be a supportive and thriving environment again. As you can see, simply by reading this whoooooole thread, the toxicity of the player base (which is very small to begin with)...is really overwhelming. And it hurts, cause that used to be my server too.

Oh well. Hopefully, this thread will be closed soon. It's completely derailed off of topic at this point and is simply being used as a way for some players to measure their e-penor.

[BakuraLord]

the decision that has been made is based on the select few that did get on the forum. AKA, you guys.

Basically what you and the other guys are saying is: "There was 25 FORUM WARRIORS that were agaisnt the merge, and for coincidence there wasn't someone who wanted the merge to happen when that happen".

Plus, if we donated for this expansion why do we have to be obligated to play MoP? Just because some players want to play MoP but keep their achivs? And they call us selfish people? Srsly, so much hipocrisy in this thread.

"Losing the char and the achivs" VS "Losing the chance to play our favourite expansion, Cataclysm" Ummmmm....

[entrapement]

Basically what you and the other guys are saying is: "There was 25 FORUM WARRIORS that were agaisnt the merge, and for coincidence there wasn't someone who wanted the merge to happen when that happen".

Plus, if we donated for this expansion why do we have to be obligated to play MoP? Just because some players want to play MoP but keep their achivs? And they call us selfish people? Srsly, so much hipocrisy in this thread.

"Losing the char and the achivs" VS "Losing the chance to play our favourite expansion, Cataclysm" Ummmmm....

That's not what I mean at all. I'm sorry I was not clear. Many times, in many threads, since the mention of the merger and the decision that it be nixed...anyone who has mentioned that maybe the decision should be polled or maybe it should be reviewed is told that the Cataclysm realm "HAS SPOKEN". Like you for instance:

Actually, we are the ones who represent the community since we're the ones who use the forum to argue about ideas and even communicate with the GMs.

I think that this server has a certain air of entitlement that they don't deserve. Warmane, in my opinion, is being really gracious. Or maybe it's just the people on the forums. IDK.

I don't care about achievements, characters, or how much money someone donates. You are not obligated to donated for items, nor spend lots of time gearing up characters. That is a personal decision many players make, and it's one I don't think Warmane should be held accountable for. If the servers had merged, you would not have lost either your gear, character, or achievements and you would still have been able to play at the Cata level (speak to Slahtz). The server would have recieved more attention and the community would have been larger. There should be give and take.

It's all pointless, though. I don't care to argue. I just want you guys to realize that we can't even have a discussion without it going up in flames and name calling.

[Trebelz]

I think that this server has a certain air of entitlement that they don't deserve. Warmane, in my opinion, is being really gracious. Or maybe it's just the people on the forums. IDK.

I don't care about achievements, characters, or how much money someone donates. You are not obligated to donated for items, nor spend lots of time gearing up characters. That is a personal decision many players make, and it's one I don't think Warmane should be held accountable for. If the servers had merged, you would not have lost either your gear, character, or achievements and you would still have been able to play at the Cata level (speak to Slahtz). The server would have recieved more attention and the community would have been larger. There should be give and take.

It's all pointless, though. I don't care to argue. I just want you guys to realize that we can't even have a discussion without it going up in flames and name calling.

This is possibly why "we can't even have a discussion without it going up in flames and name calling". You say we are not obligated to donate for items, you are correct. You say it is a personal decision that players make and that is correct. You say you think Warmane should not be held responsible for it and you are wrong. If you believe that then maybe they should not have a donating option. Period. But they do, so yes, they are responsible in a way and I am VERY sure the people who donate to Warmane would agree. What you do not seem to understand is that it is THESE peoples donations that is helping to keep this server up and running. These people donate to help the server of course, but you can think of the coins that they gain from donating which they use for services as something called "Incentives".

Sure we may not have lost our achievements, but in a sense we would have lost our gear for sure being as CATA endgame gear doesn't equal MOP endgame gear. This would most likely lead to a loss of character due to people not wanting to either regrind or re-donate for previously said items. Can you blame these people? Why should or would they once again put their trust, time and patience into this private server again just to feel betrayed from having these things taken from them. You need to think on a larger scale. Also... if you may even be thinking "Well then to hell with these donors" or "It does not matter if they leave". I would simply remind you once again... it is these very peoples donations that is helping to keep this server and each expansion on here running.

[BakuraLord]

You are not obligated to donated for items, nor spend lots of time gearing up characters. That is a personal decision many players make, and it's one I don't think Warmane should be held accountable for.

Well, yea, its our decision if we donate or not, but still we're the ones sustaining warmane. I decided to donate, yes, but I did it because I like Cataclysm... Never donoted for WofLK or MoP. I think its not fair for me and many other cataclysm players who actually donated to keep this server working.

If the servers had merged, you would not have lost either your gear, character, or achievements and you would still have been able to play at the Cata level (speak to Slahtz).

Playing at level 85 isn't even close to play the real Cataclysm... Different abilities, different talents, different playstyles, and I'm not a twink player. Plus, PANDAS.

Understand, people only want this merge to happen because they want to play other expansions but keep the same char and achivs so they can brag about their super hard HC raids that they've made back in Catalycsm (yes, I'm sure most of this people are PvE players who are tired of the raids here). So yes, they're being selfish because we're able to have both expansions open but they want to end cata just for this stupid reason.
To be honest, if that merged happen I'm sure that in 1 year poeple would be saying "Ah, i miss the old Cata raids, that we're the days... not this stupid easy thing" and link some Cataclysm raid. This always happen, people have always something to complain. Its impossible to make them happy.

[entrapement]

This is possibly why "we can't even have a discussion without it going up in flames and name calling". You say we are not obligated to donate for items, you are correct. You say it is a personal decision that players make and that is correct. You say you think Warmane should not be held responsible for it and you are wrong. If you believe that then maybe they should not have a donating option. Period. But they do, so yes, they are responsible in a way and I am VERY sure the people who donate to Warmane would agree. What you do not seem to understand is that it is THESE peoples donations that is helping to keep this server up and running. These people donate to help the server of course, but you can think of the coins that they gain from donating which they use for services as something called "Incentives".

Sure we may not have lost our achievements, but in a sense we would have lost our gear for sure being as CATA endgame gear doesn't equal MOP endgame gear. This would most likely lead to a loss of character due to people not wanting to either regrind or re-donate for previously said items. Can you blame these people? Why should or would they once again put their trust, time and patience into this private server again just to feel betrayed from having these things taken from them. You need to think on a larger scale. Also... if you may even be thinking "Well then to hell with these donors" or "It does not matter if they leave". I would simply remind you once again... it is these very peoples donations that is helping to keep this server and each expansion on here running.

Dude, I also donate. But I also understand that I am donating for a items in a game on the internet. Nothing is tangible in this transaction. Do I regret donating? Not at all! I have gotten mass amounts of enjoyment out of the items I have donated for -- and the items I will donate for in the future (looking at you vanity items! :* if a mod reads this, pls, I want foam swords back and stuff. I pay monies.) I consider it money well spent but I don't think it entitles me to all the riches, ect, ect I see a lot of people on these forums talking about. Warmane is not responsible for the items you donate for. Or maybe they should include a warranty option in the donation form? IDK.

I was also here for Moltdown and have already experienced the loss of beloved items and characters. May they R.I.P.

Please don't assume that just because I disagree with you on something means I hate you, or we can't play Wow together. It just gets so nasty between everyone, and that needs to stop! We are all on this server together.

[Harai]

Please don't assume that just because I disagree with you on something means I hate you, or we can't play Wow together. It just gets so nasty between everyone, and that needs to stop! We are all on this server together.

Well if you want to kill a server that a bunch of players love you're entitled to that

Whoever wants to play on MoP that option already exists, just login on MoP and be happy
But if you close Cataclysm, well, a bunch of people will not have that option anymore

Whats so hard to understand about it?
A poll should not even be considered, since players from other realms would vote, and MoP people would certainly love to force Cata people into joining them, and I dont have a clue what people from Wotlk would vote for, but it wasn't going to concern them so they could as well vote against Cata just for the sake of having more devs for them

[Trebelz]

Dude, I also donate. But I also understand that I am donating for a items in a game on the internet. Nothing is tangible in this transaction. Do I regret donating? Not at all! I have gotten mass amounts of enjoyment out of the items I have donated for -- and the items I will donate for in the future (looking at you vanity items! :* if a mod reads this, pls, I want foam swords back and stuff. I pay monies.) I consider it money well spent but I don't think it entitles me to all the riches, ect, ect I see a lot of people on these forums talking about. Warmane is not responsible for the items you donate for. Or maybe they should include a warranty option in the donation form? IDK.


I was also here for Moltdown and have already experienced the loss of beloved items and characters. May they R.I.P.

Please don't assume that just because I disagree with you on something means I hate you, or we can't play Wow together. It just gets so nasty between everyone, and that needs to stop! We are all on this server together.

So here we go again. Ring around the Rosie. It has nothing to do with entitlement and/or riches according to you "I don't think it entitles me to all the riches, ect, ect ". Warmane is NOT responsible for the items WE donate for, yes. However they do hold a sense of responsibility for our donations because when we donate we get "coins" and not "items". What do people put those out-of-pocket donation coins to? They put them to use on the expansion/server that they enjoy. Which in this case is Cataclysm. So please, do enlighten me on how this is not a sign of betrayal(I cannot find a better vocabulary at the moment) on the ends of the people who donate. Not everyone is you. Not everyone, like you, wants what you want because they still enjoy this expansion. You think people put $500-$1000+ of their hard-earned money to Warmane to help them stay stable and use their incentives on a server they enjoy just for people who get tired of an expansion to want it to shutdown/merge? You forget this is Warmane. They specialize in WOTLK, CATA, and MOP. They are not a transition like realm going from WOTLK merging into CATA then from CATA merging into MOP and then so on just because people get tired of an expansion. Maybe there should be no donation option then. Or no Coin incentives then. Would you like that as well to completely eliminate any sense of responsibility?

I was also here for Moltdown. Again you weren't the only one. Many of us were devastated by the losses of that event and guess what? They rose back up and put their faiths in Warmane/Molten once again and many of those people were also us CATA players... so why do you even THINK they would completely be rid of Neltharion/Cataclysm realm in the very least?

"Please don't assume that just because I disagree with you on something means I hate you, or we can't play Wow together. It just gets so nasty between everyone, and that needs to stop!". Thing is, no one assumed anything of this sort. This is you jumping to conclusions and making this assumption up. Back a dog up in the corner and it is gonna bite. Simple.

[Skuddy]

and I dont have a clue what people from Wotlk would vote for, but it wasn't going to concern them so they could as well vote against Cata just for the sake of having more devs for them

i'd vote to keep cata, and close MOP. MOP is ugly as hell, and panda's suck.