I can help you to understand it.
I wanna play TBC but its not because I love TBC, I hate how the retail (Legion) is now. I want to play TBC because its a new hope for me to enjoy my beloved classes/specs as they were used to be. You know how the retail is right now? RNG... PvP = RNG. PvE = RNG.
I just want to level my chars, to level its proffessions, to farm its materials, to go for long walks to find recipes, to summon people to dungeons. I want to have a character that I can work for. I want to maximize it with required PvE gears or Arena rating. Then I can maximize myself to play it better and better...
So, the thing is actually I am the one who cant understand the people running for the superior faction. You wanna farm your materials, reputions in peace? With no actual world pvp because there will be no alliance around there. 5+ hordes are gonna see only one alliance and will jump onto him to kill as if it is the sytle they wanna play...
I dont want to play Alliance if I am not gonna have a balanced faction ratio. So little we have who wanna go for Alliance and none we will have when its launched. Then Horde can enjoy leveling in emerald dream (outland) with zero alliance...
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Yea let's check how much you don't know what you are talking about.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Guild_...ssion_(TBC)/SP
Kalecgos -> 1st kill Alliance ; top 10 had 5/5 H/A
Brutallus -> 1st kill Horde; top 10 had 6/4 H/A
Felmyst -> 1st kill Horde; top 10 had 5/5 H/A
Eredar Twins -> 1st kill Horde; top 10 had 4/6 H/A
M'uru -> 1st kill Horde; top 10 had 6/4 H/A
Kil'jaeden -> 1st kill Horde; top 10 had 4/6 H/A
If you add them all up you see 30/30 even split. All that is taking into account that on alliance guilds shamans were scarce as hell.
But hey we all remember Kungen world firsts right, because 1st kill means allot on a statistical level, those individuals really are the best... unless of course you have any measure of a brain and realise such things are more related to people being the champions of having "free time" and their nationality is from a timezone that favors them in "the race".
Being the first doesn't mean being the best. It has zero statistical significance.
Heck if you go to most online forums. Check the guy that does reply with "First!". Do you think that guy is awsome forum poster?
___ @ Ostlimpa
If you think tauren hp is better than nelfs dodge you don't know what the hardest fights for tanks are in tbc.
Go math out troll vs gnome int bonus for mage/locks. Or human expertise+hit from draenei vs troll haste for warrior/rogues. Do it.
p.s.
You even put troll for hunter above orc. Seriously...
Why i even reply to you guys?Edited: April 22, 2017
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http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Guild_...rning_Crusade)
Number of "World first" kills made by the Horde : 27
Number of "World first" kills made by the Alliance : 12 that say it all.
ofc world first mean alot wtf you even talking about.this is guild that enter a raid who is not nerfed and there is no strategies about the boss fight or any real info how the boss exactly works.there is also tons of bugs at raid release.guild have to overcome all this **** and to come with way to kill the boss on their own.after that it gets way more easy for everyone.raids get nerfed,people explain how to do the fights.overall population get better gear because they farm first bosses in the raids.if you say people who get world first and not best guilds and that dont mean anything...''whatever other people have evhiev...it dont mean ****,they are kings of wasting time'..i gatto love people like you :D
as for who have beter racial in PVE you are only person in the whole universe that agrue about alliance been on top.....
i agree with you man....Legion was really awesome at the start to be honest and i loved it untill it turn out to be MOS endless grind.....and PVP is so oooo boring.feral for example turn into dmg bot...you have no support or unility anymore wtf....Edited: April 22, 2017
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It seems normal these days when you can't contest facts you make up your own reality!
For everyone else...
The information is available if you want to be informed. :)
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It has been calculated over and over that 5% health outshines 1% dodge /deep sigh.
Troll haste gives more because you cap your expertise at a less return than losing other stats. Another /deep sigh.
Troll haste gives more than the small spell dmg/crit from intellect for mage/warlock. Third /deep sigh.
Troll > Orc As you bug the pet to have passive 10% extra dmg which does not stack with Command.
No offense but I get the feeling you have not played a TBC server lately.
Horde got quite superior racials, but so what? There are ups and downs to everything.
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I see that you can't do math and resort to projecting.
Very entertaining. :)
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I see that you can't grasp logic.
But look at the bright side, we are both experts in trading insults! :D
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Comparing the balance of TBC back in the day and what the balance will be with all the knowledge that everyone has on various TBC encounters is sheer ignorance. Nowadays, people have already dissected and re-dissected the benefits of Horde vs Alliance in TBC. If you don't understand that there will, undeniably, be an imbalance, that's you sticking your head in the sand. I don't think people are asking for fundamental changes, but a queue makes a lot of sense if the 45/55 ratio is broken.
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One of the most easy way to encourage people to roll alliance is to have this server PVE not PVP....no bribe,no advantage. and if is not enough then add separate queue. even with free transfer imo people will not chose alliance if they have chosen horde 1st. But having a PVE server will offer you an umbrella and the racials will be only an advantage in PVP designated areas, BGs and Arena.
I know for now I will roll alliance, depending of the profile of the server and population will opt either for stealth class or not.
All the best and can't wait for the release.
PS: I quited Warmane and wow more than 4 months ago but now I'm ready to come back and visit the shop as soon as it's opened.
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Everybody is talking about racials advantages, but it is just small part of success in PvP. I dont say its not better to play Human priest over Undead, but racial will not win your arena or fight. You are right about imbalance, but as many people said, alliance can take advantage from it. Where there is a lot of hordes, ally can make premade and crush every BG.. this means more honors, more marks and more fun. I played both factions and I can say that horde looks better and have some better stuff. But from my experience with lots of servers, I know that playing alliance will save me lot of time and nerves.
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You only insult your own intelligence really. You have zero math and statistical proof.
Claimed "only max 2 alliance guilds were in top". I proved you were wrong.
Realised you failed there. Go duck tail and change argument to "world first mean alot". Without realising that i had already said that was not the case and stated why on my post.
Being the "only person" does not make me wrong. Just makes you and the rest that post otherwise show they are lacking in knowledge.
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you do understand you had this argue with me not Ostlimpa?i think you have reach some kind of mental breakdown at this point.you dont even know who you arguing and what for.
you ignore facts and common sense.you just said everyone else is wrong and you only one who have knowledge.having any kind of debate with person like you is waste of time.
1 last think you didnt proved anyone wrong.you simple ignore what other people say or pick something out of the context and make statement based on that passage......
'you can check for each tier in wowprogress.half of the tiers there is max 2 or even 0 alliance guilds in top 10.' this is what i said and you twisted it into 'only max 2 alliance guilds were in top' .Edited: April 22, 2017
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I think it is time for you to reduce the amount of weed you smoke, for your own sake. You bring up stuff from original TBC which is a totally different world compared to TBC servers today. You basically compare a bicycle to a car. Not to mention bring up arguments that was debated and solved years ago like the 1% dodge vs 5% health (the answer was that 1% dodge cannot have any passive-control while the 5% health will always be there and also works wonders on feral tanks).
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But Wotf racial can actually swing an arena game. The better team usually wins sure, but what if everything else is equal? The team that doesn't have to sit in an extra fear wins the mirror match by leveraging all the gained momentum.
In many matches wotf is the same as having two pvp trinkets, it's simply impactful.
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Wotf isn't that much of advantage. Escape artist has a shorter cooldown and can be applied virtually anywhere.
