poll about merge

[vbeastm]

Yeah , its dead as ****, but I wanna play CATA, not **** MOP , cause it totally sucks. :) If I wanted to play MOP, i would have palyed MOP ..

[entrapement]

So here we go again. Ring around the Rosie. It has nothing to do with entitlement and/or riches according to you "I don't think it entitles me to all the riches, ect, ect ". Warmane is NOT responsible for the items WE donate for, yes. However they do hold a sense of responsibility for our donations because when we donate we get "coins" and not "items". What do people put those out-of-pocket donation coins to? They put them to use on the expansion/server that they enjoy. Which in this case is Cataclysm. So please, do enlighten me on how this is not a sign of betrayal(I cannot find a better vocabulary at the moment) on the ends of the people who donate. Not everyone is you. Not everyone, like you, wants what you want because they still enjoy this expansion. You think people put $500-$1000+ of their hard-earned money to Warmane to help them stay stable and use their incentives on a server they enjoy just for people who get tired of an expansion to want it to shutdown/merge? You forget this is Warmane. They specialize in WOTLK, CATA, and MOP. They are not a transition like realm going from WOTLK merging into CATA then from CATA merging into MOP and then so on just because people get tired of an expansion. Maybe there should be no donation option then. Or no Coin incentives then. Would you like that as well to completely eliminate any sense of responsibility?

I was also here for Moltdown. Again you weren't the only one. Many of us were devastated by the losses of that event and guess what? They rose back up and put their faiths in Warmane/Molten once again and many of those people were also us CATA players... so why do you even THINK they would completely be rid of Neltharion/Cataclysm realm in the very least?

"Please don't assume that just because I disagree with you on something means I hate you, or we can't play Wow together. It just gets so nasty between everyone, and that needs to stop!". Thing is, no one assumed anything of this sort. This is you jumping to conclusions and making this assumption up. Back a dog up in the corner and it is gonna bite. Simple.

You do realize that it is YOU that assumes everything, every time you respond to me? Then accuse me of doing it. First it was that I couldn't understand the "struggle" because I wasn't a donor, and I thought donors should go to hell. Now it's because I'm not the only one who lived through Moltdown and all I do is jump to conclusions. I am not a special snowflake, and I am very aware of that.

Why do I think they should merge CATA into MOP? Because the staff said we could get more updates if we did that, and we would have a bigger community. Players would also still have the choice of playing at the CATA level, even though mechanics would be changed. HOWEVER, as I have stated in my early posts, it is pointless to discuss this because, as it stands, the server will not be upgrading to MOP. I am in support of polling or reviewing the community, which is what the topic of this thread was about.

I'm sorry you can't see my point of view on this. I think you have a sense of entitlement. I think it's ridiculous for you to feel that Warmane has any sort of responsibility towards you because you donated or that they are betraying you if they do not spend your donation in a way you see fit. In essence, you donated to a cause you supported (the private server/Warmane) and they can establish the money or evolve any way their model sees fit. Perhaps it is you who does not understand the responsibility of donating? You are not donating for a single realm, but for all of Warmane, their business model, and all future decisions they make. Why should the coin or donation option be removed simply because some can't understand what its purpose is?

You put it very well in your opening line:

So here we go again. Ring around the Rosie.

[Trebelz]

You do realize that it is YOU that assumes everything, every time you respond to me? Then accuse me of doing it. First it was that I couldn't understand the "struggle" because I wasn't a donor, and I thought donors should go to hell. Now it's because I'm not the only one who lived through Moltdown and all I do is jump to conclusions. I am not a special snowflake, and I am very aware of that.

Lets knuckle up then because this is EXACTLY how "It just gets so nasty between everyone". First of all. Here you go assuming things yet AGAIN. Are you the VOICE of the people pro-merge? Do you speak for them all? Because "First it was that I couldn't understand the "struggle" because I wasn't a donor, and I thought donors should go to hell" where the heck did i say ANY of this targeted to YOU. As a matter of fact you were not even present during my first post and I did not know of your existence until you replied after. So please tell me how does that target you? I was speaking in general. Again not everything is about you you you. Now where did I say that YOU thought all donors should go to hell? Could it be this "Also... if you may even be thinking "Well then to hell with these donors" or "It does not matter if they leave". I would simply remind you once again... "? Learn to properly comprehend before you make such replies. It will help you a lot in life. That was me trying to clearly say IF you are thinking ANY of the above. Not that you DID say any of the above. You should not have bought up the Moltdown. Period. Because everyone has been afflicted by it and has learned to move on. You can see why I say you jump to your own conclusion now.

"Players would also still have the choice of playing at the CATA level, even though mechanics would be changed" So this is just how selfish you are. You want us who like and want to keep CATA to play as TWINKS!!?? on an MOP realm? First off... some of us don't like twinks(Strike one). There is a reason why they are not playing on MoP as well... i believe you can figure this out (Strike two). Third strike?

Here we go... you see... "In essence, you donated to a cause you supported (the private server/Warmane) and they can establish the money or evolve any way their model sees fit". Yes, you are VERY correct. They can even take the donations and go blow it on whatever they want. However you forget that people just do not see Warmane and randomly DONATE to them. They see Warmane. They LIKE their content. They LIKE what the offer then they choose to donate to help them keep it up. Now. If people who donate from Cataclysm realm/expansion and does not like WOTLK or MoP were to see the expansion that keeps them here on Warmane or that has dragged them here just shutdown or merge into an expansion they do not like; do you believe they would continue their support?

You put it very well for yourself:

I am not a special snowflake

[BakuraLord]

I think it's ridiculous for you to feel that Warmane has any sort of responsibility towards you because you donated or that they are betraying you if they do not spend your donation in a way you see fit. In essence, you donated to a cause you supported (the private server/Warmane) and they can establish the money or evolve any way their model sees fit.

That could be right but you forgot one little point. Don't you think they will want to let those who donate a lot happier than one regular player who never donated?
You don't even know what kinda of "benefits" that people can have.



I don't know if what he said its true or not, but I've seen a lot of situations like that.

[Peroit]

So the other day I went to get some ice cream at my local ice cream shop. They only have a few flavours, vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry. Now, I've been a strawberry ice cream kind of guy for a fairly long time, I like my strawberry, it's solid, tasty, and well, my favourite. But recently, there haven't been nearly as many people buying strawberry ice cream, so the shop decided that they were going to merge the strawberry with the choco-vanilla ice cream to make Neapolitan, and no longer sell strawberry.

I've gotta say, I'm a pretty easy going guy, I don't really dislike chocolate or vanilla, but damned if I don't like my pure strawberry chilly goodness. I mean, I could eat the Neapolitan and get my strawberry fix.... but that's just not the same, and it's not what I went to the ice cream store for, now is it? As much as a shame as it is, I guess I'm going somewhere else to get my pure strawberry deliciousness.

Ya get me?

[Trebelz]

Very nice analogy. I see what you did there. In this case the strawberry is Cataclysm and the vanilla and chocolate being Wrath of the Lich King/Mists of Pandaria. This was exactly what I was getting at in the last paragraph of my last reply on this thread. Sadly it is very much true according to what I've been seeing.

[Nasty]

They close every topic regarding this lol. There was a very small amount of players who actually check forums, that voiced opinions about keeping cata. A very small amount. However, most people who wanted the merge, or could care less, didn't both responding. Then there's the 90% of the server who never checks the forums.

I, even though I recognize that the handful of players on forums who voice their opinion, do not make up even the smallest portion of the cata population, do not want to lose Cata. I think MoP is more dead then cata. I don't PvE but I see almost no PvE spam in global on MoP realms. PvP is the same on both realms although you swap rets and warrs lol. I wouldn't mind them removing cata though, but I'd move to Wotlk, not MoP. But I still want them to keep cata :P

PS: yay I finally got to respond before a thread of this topic was closed lol.

[Harai]

There was a very small amount of players who actually check forums, that voiced opinions about keeping cata. A very small amount. However, most people who wanted the merge, or could care less, didn't both responding. Then there's the 90% of the server who never checks the forums.

Hell no
The retrospective and prospective thread was linked on the front page of the website, you can claim that a huge amount of the Cata population dont care to read the forums at all, but those who did read it strongly voiced against it, it was the biggest participation I've ever seen of Cataclysm population since Graymane and Deepholm got launched. Why you people who dont care or are pro-merge keeps diminishing the voice of those who voiced against it?

[Nasty]

lol Harai. Most people don't view the front page of the website. Hell, almost daily I have people that don't even know what the point shop is, how to use unstuck feature, etc, and these are players in full or near full gear so been here a decent amount of time.

98 pages, 15 (i think) responses per page, is 1470 responses. This is a very rough assumption, that also ignores the fact that the last page likely does not have all 15 on it's page. The vast majority of those responses are multiple uses debating over and over, staff replies, comments not about keeping cata, etc. I cba, but if you want to, feel free to count the actual number of individual posts saying to keep Cata. Which is in no part, a vast amount of the cata player base.

The only thing that thread shows, is that there are more argumentative forum dwellers that want cata then not. Based off pretty much nothing, I believe the majority of the server does not really care. I think many just play cata cuz they played it for a long time, or that many play cata because their pc doesn't play mop well, etc. I don't want to lose cata, I like it. But it's ignorance or denial to say that we have any real understanding currently on what the majority of players want.

Also.. people that dont care, or pro-merge, have just as much right to voice, as you do.