Multiboxing now banned on retail

[theborg9]

i know you didn't mean it this way, but that comes across as a "i can't/won't do it so i don't want you doing it either" kind of deal.

Correct, just as I don't use scripts or cheats, and I report any cheater I find. The only difference here is that I can't report multiboxers. But honestly? I don't see that much difference, sorry. There is a simple way to know what should be mantained and what shouldn't be, it is to consider: "what if everybody does it?"
Well, the servers would crash, since the population would be 25 fold.

even if it takes a few seconds for the premade to fire off their attacks, it's still very likely going to kill you.

This changes everything to be honest. A synchronized attack means you don't even have the time to pop defensives (ice block, divine shield, ams, etc).

Why it is allowed on WarMane the answer is simple: money.

I agree with most of your post, hell multiboxers are frustrating for experienced players, so I can imagine for someone in the process of gearing up or new to PvP. But I don't think this point is very accurate. The staff in fact has made it very clear that eventual donations from multiboxers don't grant any benefit on the ability to multibox. They donate for gear or queue skipping etc, and not for multiboxing. More on point, we would have to see how much multiboxing donations are, compared to the total but I imagine they represent just a very small part, just even because not any type of donation is required to multibox.

[theborg9]

And in addition to that you face a premade in like every second BG. A boxer maybe once per week. If at all.

If you're ally/mercenary and you play around this hour you'd see at least one pretty often. It's "running" even now.

[termsofpriv]

Also I wouldn't really say that WG or even Wpvp is less competitve than arena, it is just a differend form of PvP, and surely not a lesser important one.

So level 77 unbalanced battleground used mostly to do quests and farm materials is the same as playing rated arenas.

This is too good.

There is a simple way to know what should be mantained and what shouldn't be, it is to consider: "what if everybody does it?"
Well, the servers would crash, since the population would be 25 fold.

If everybody multiboxed they would quickly realize the weaknesses and how to counter it. (assuming they dont have your level of critical thinking)

This would make the game unplayable for multiboxers since they would get countered by few players.

[mier]

This changes everything to be honest. A synchronized attack means you don't even have the time to pop defensives (ice block, divine shield, ams, etc).

The skilled players pre use their defensives. Also you have to keep in mind that the one shot has a cd.

The boxer is stacked. Means his chars can be CC'd all at once and they are vulnerable to aoe dmg, push backs, etc. Also it's easy to hinder the mobility of a boxer and that's actually his biggest weakness. You can't imagine how terrible effective it is when a single rog keeps saping the boxer while he is on his way to a objective. A single guy can actually stop 25 ppl and eventually even change the outcome of the match with that tactic. In fact there are so many ways to counter boxers.

[theborg9]

The skilled players pre use their defensives. Also you have to keep in mind that the one shot has a cd.

Against instant spells? not really. Besides, defensives end at some point and/or the multiboxer can simply change target meanwhile.

One thing I'm curious about, though. Since you seem to suggest that it's doable to counter a multiboxer in random BG do one thing: record yourself (and the team you will of course diligently instruct with your tactics) playing against a multiboxer. Spread your knowledge and your amazing plays to the world, please.

[mier]

Against instant spells? not really.

As soon as the multiboxer targets you you should pop your defensive. Pretty much every skilled player does that. But I have my doubts that you are aware of the target of target interface option.

One thing I'm curious about, though. Since you seem to suggest that it's doable to counter a multiboxer in random BG

"Doable to counter a multiboxer in random BG". Lol. You honestly never won against a multiboxer? You can't be serious.
I thought you were boxing before so how it comes that you don't know about their weakness? Oh wait... I forgot. You gave up after 30 mins.

[theborg9]

Lol. You honestly never won against a multiboxer? You can't be serious.

Never said that. We're talking about you here, and I'm not saying one time or two. Show me that you can win against multiboxers consistently with a random team. It's easy for you to talk (or write), but proving your statements it's totally another thing.
Of course, since you need the entire team following your tactics, it's your duty to instruct every random team. Show everyone that you do this and share with us your amazing tactics. Please.

You gave up after 30 mins.

I see that you like to remind everybody that you can't read.

Yup, I've multiboxed 5 toons myself. It's something that takes 30 mins to setup and that doesn't require any skill to perform, BUT it requires some recent hardware to multibox many toons.

[mier]

Show me that you can win against multiboxers consistently with a random team.

Sure, ill do that when you show me PvP footage of your 5 man team. I'd really love to see that :D

[theborg9]

I guess you're still trying to set hotkeynet up and you need my help?

In fact there are so many ways to counter boxers.

Everybody is looking forward to your demonstration. Everybody wants to see how a real pro like you defeats the multiboxer consistently and leads the team to victory.

But in truth we will never see that, because it's just another excuse used by multiboxers to shift the focus from the multiboxer to the other (99%) players, blaming the latter to be bad, instead of conceding that multiboxing give you and advantage.
IF PvP-multiboxing was intended to be in the game, you wouldn't need an external program to do it. And I'm happy that this has started to be enforced on retail now.

[termsofpriv]

I guess you're still trying to set hotkeynet up and you need my help?


Everybody is looking forward to your demonstration. Everybody wants to see how a real pro like you defeats the multiboxer consistently and leads the team to victory.

But in truth we will never see that, because it's just another excuse used by multiboxers to shift the focus from the multiboxer to the other (99%) players, blaming the latter to be bad, instead of conceding that multiboxing give you and advantage.
IF PvP-multiboxing was intended to be in the game, you wouldn't need an external program to do it. And I'm happy that this has started to be enforced on retail now.

Every single time this topic get brought up there are multiple videos of 25-30 boxer with BIS gear getting wiped by 2 vehicles in wintergrasp multiple times.

After that the anti multibox posters resort to personal attacks, deflecting, whataboutism or keep repeating the same pointless arguments that have been disproven (just like you have been doing in your last 20 posts) and the thread gets closed or deleted.

How do you expect other people to go out of their way and record videos, while you cant even name the 5 abilities you would use to one shot bis geared players which you stated is possible many times.

[theborg9]

while you cant even name the 5 abilities you would use to one shot bis geared players which you stated is possible many times.

Ambush, chain lightning, typhoon, thunderstorm, lava burst etc. A 25x multiboxer can oneshot with each one of these.
Assuming a starter gear (from BR) 25x multiboxer with 20 DPSs and an enemy 1200+ resilience DK these skills hit starting from around 1600 normally, and from around 2300 as a crit. With a 7% effective crit chance (20% mitigated by 13% from resilience) you have almost 33k of instant damage.

This is considering:
- a very decent resilience
- a DK with magic damage taken reduction (-6%, so it would be 35k otherwise)
- a 5550 gs multiboxer
- I used the weakest skills i've listed, in fact a lava burst hits around 3k normally (non crit damage).

So yes, probably already a 5.8 25x multiboxer can oneshot anybody with each of these skills.
Also to consider is the fact that bis geared chars usually have pve offset, and I'm pretty sure that1200+ resilience is an overestimation, especially in not-arena settings.

This is just about the damage, but there are other things very hard to counter. For example, having up to 25 grounding totems every 15 seconds means that a single shaman can negate for example a death grip or any other non-aoe spell for 25 times, while oneshotting any enemy one by one (or more - chain lightning/thunderstorm), while waiting for the next round of totems.

[termsofpriv]

Ambush, chain lightning, typhoon, thunderstorm, lava burst etc. A 25x multiboxer can oneshot with each one of these.
Assuming a starter gear (from BR) 25x multiboxer with 20 DPSs and an enemy 1200+ resilience DK these skills hit starting from around 1600 normally, and from around 2300 as a crit. With a 7% effective crit chance (20% mitigated by 13% from resilience) you have almost 33k of instant damage.

This is considering:
- a very decent resilience
- a DK with magic damage taken reduction
- a 5550 gs multiboxer
- I used the weakest skills i've listed, in fact a lava burst hits around 3k normally (non crit damage).

So yes, probably already a 5.8 25x multiboxer can oneshot anybody with each of these skills.
Also to consider is the fact that bis geared chars usually have pve offset, and I'm pretty sure that1200+ resilience is an overestimation, especially in not-arena settings.

The entire time u were talking about 5 boxer oneshotting people in BG one by one.

You quickly realized this is not possible on this expansion.


Now you are talking about 25 boxer vs 1 player with 20-25 dmg dealers and abilities that have cast time and CD? Nobody even runs 20 DPS in 25 box unless its boomkins.

Just for fun I did the math and these are results 20 shamans/boomkins with 5600gs would do with totems up vs 1200 resil unholy dk.

Ambush: Is everything good in your life?
CL: 64,731 dmg with offensive talents including chance to trigger another CL
Thunderstorm: 32,622 dmg
LB: 61,607 dmg
Typhoon: 32,993 dmg



In your own examples Thunderstorm and Typhoon would already not kill 1200 resil DK with more than 33k hp.
This dmg would be greatly reduced if he has resistance buffs as you cannot gem spell pene as multiboxer.

He could react to both non instant spells with his defensives and survive them.

This is just about the damage, but there are other things very hard to counter. For example, having up to 25 grounding totems every 15 seconds means that a single shaman can negate for example a death grip or any other non-aoe spell for 25 times, while oneshotting any enemy one by one (or more - chain lightning/thunderstorm), while waiting for the next round of totems.

Your inexperience with multiboxing and lack of game knowledge really shows because the scenarios you describe are not realistic or possible.

In reality your grounding totems are gone in 0.3 seconds, only affect party members and its not a good use of gcd outside of call of elements.

Getting your channeled casts of in any sort of big battle can become impossible due to every aoe spell affecting all your characters.

[Bxera]

In your own examples Thunderstorm and Typhoon would already not kill 1200 resil DK with more than 33k hp.
This dmg would be greatly reduced if he has resistance buffs as you cannot gem spell pene as multiboxer.

I have 75-230 spell pen on my teams,
so i don't know who you're thinking of when you say we can't

[theborg9]

The entire time u were talking about 5 boxer oneshotting people in BG one by one.

I don't think I've ever said "oneshot" for a 5 man multiboxer, did I?

Just for fun I did the math and these are results 20 shamans/boomkins with 5600gs would do with totems up vs 1200 resil unholy dk...

So? same results of mine, and if you read my previous comment more carefully it already consider everything you've written here. I'm pretty used to seeing every excuse breing brought up every time, so I just tend to anticipate them.

only affect party members

Correct, but it still means 5 grounding per shaman (assuming only one per party is being targeted), and it's not a situation that players are used - and honesty not even meant by the game - to deal with.

[theborg9]

This said, I won't comment on this thread futher. I've said what I had to say and I thank the moderators for letting me, and everyone else, do so. Even if there have been in the past a lot of uncivil and insult-based arguings about this topic, I think that a civil discussion from the players cannot but benefit the game and I think it should be seen as a positive thing.