Lordaeron to Normal

[TriNitY706]

Yes, I will just type in /s "hey guys don't kill me"... Cos the opposite faction can understand that....

Your analogy is silly and so flawed.

The "analogy" is silly and flawed because you ignorantly confined it to being literal to try and criticize it. Obviously it was not meant to be literal since /s "don't kill me" (which opposite faction can't read) does little to anything, instead players come to forums and "/s" but here they can express their concerns where players of either faction can read.

I have seen a high-quality PvE server and it died very quickly.

PvP experience suffers. There would be much less targets for world PvP.

If you were able to unflag, probably half of the population, or even more, would do it. Soon you'll notice that most PvPers have left the server. Okay who cares? The next thing you notice is that although world PvP has died and you can now pick your flowers safely, instanced PvP has also reduced dramatically, to an almost non-existent level. There is nothing left to do but raid. At this point all the casuals have left too. There are only a couple of raid guilds left and soon they too would be gone.

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So PvP experience trumps the PvE experience (LoL)? You are exaggerating. The same goes for PvEESP (PvE experience seeking players), they too leave and or don't even play on the server at all, the only difference is PvEE is the other side of the coin that people like to pretend doesn't exist. Just because players are expressing concerns about a different type of experience doesn't mean it is less viable. World PvP objectives (Hellfire, etc.) will still exist, BG's will still be in effect, players just won't be able to exact their will on others as they have in the past which is pretty much what people are concerned about. PvP options will pretty much always be available as long as there are players, what people are expressing is to be able to enjoy their non-Raid/dungeon PvE content with less forced PvP interaction and or resorting to taking detours because of PvP seeking players. The speculated "oh the server will die" is not a valid argument. In my opinion PvP realms don't die because PvE seeking players and vice versa. PvEE seeking players have long been subjected to the will of PvPESP (PvP experience seeking players), and are expressing concerns for something different. Just like PvEE players are suggested to alter their play-style PvPE players can do the same thing (seek more consensual PvP for example), PvEE players shouldn't have to "always" be faced with either bending to the will of other players or not playing.

[Luminnar]

Could you set at least Lordaeron to Normal, meaning you don't have to run to your corpse every ten minutes?

Every aspect of this project is good except for this one. I haven't met one single person who would enjoyed - since I play the Horde and all the ******s who kill you when you fight elite play the Alliance. I don't like PvP, I want to play the game, finish quests and simply level so I can do raids, or, if I get really really bored, go to BGs. But on this project, you simply have no choice. It begins to suck really. The only reason I haven't left yet is I don't have a place to play which is so populated - but if something doesn't happen, I will be forced to.

I know, of course, you don't give a **** about me - no need to write it :) The thing is there is many of those who feel the same, and the admins should maybe consider the option of making happy most of the realm than making happy a few alliance ******ed kids, whose penises are simply too small to be cool in real life.

so you need a large penis to be cool in a real world/life? seriously??? damn your IQ is suffering, it doesn't even surpass 2 digits... i assume by "normal" you mean pve, so NO. fu.ck that pve garbage. if you're that stupid to learn the game, avoid or reduce deaths, then this game isn't for you anyway. the true purpose of this game is pvp and i'm not talking about battlegrounds, so shut up before you even mention that. you'll have more than enough time to kill as many dragons and brain dead scripts you like even with pvp enabled. i don't get why are people so selfish, that the only thing they think about is only what's good for them, disregarding everyone else. oh and also used to get everything they want the easy way, with minimum effort involved. want a pve realm? spare some money and afford retail. for pve it's the same sh.it anyway... mashing buttons and watching bosses die... you can't really go retail for quality pvp anymore tho, since it sucks. hard.

[lawdie]

Heh I haven't checked this thread for a bit and it exploded from what I have seen the best solution would be a PvE server as well (with transfers away but not to the pvp server once you leave there is no going back)

-If the PvE server dies out the "PvP is really popular" group wins and whatever is left of the community actually wanted PvP which would be a majority since PvE died
-Let people move from the PvP to PvE server but not PvE to PvP so people who want PvP don't get an easy leveling pass
-Battle grounds and stuff can be merged in theory people on the PvP server would always be at an advantage because they would be farming the higher PvP stats
-Potentially lowers the server pop to a more blizzlike figure (Again if PvE isn't popular it would still be the same)
-Nothing is lost, but there are gains if no one moves to PvE nothing is lost on the current server, if people move to PvE then there are gains because the PvP community will have more people with the similar mind set

[toniplavna]

Im quite bored so I will gank al little now. Only problem is , alliance are so ****ty for a ganking side. I mean Its better to be horde for ganking. Stormwing is better for gank than Org. Honor hold is better for gank. Valliance keep is better for gank..

[phewnixqt]

1. Give me a numerical comparison of PvE vs. PvP content in the game;

2. It's part of the game indeed - and you can still PvP in a Normal server;

3. Irrelevant, the server isn't about you or your made-up numbers;

4. Yes, I'm allowed to do that, as I am to ignore your opinion on that matter;

5. Where are you seeing this "moved to suggestion"?

Where do i see this moved to sugestion? the 2º or 3º comment says it was moved to suggestions
Anyways, the only reason you say you can pvp on a normal server is the fact that ur a pve nerd
The server is made about players , and the vast majority are casuals that enjoy pvp aswell

You want a numerical comparison?
WoW Reach the highest Subscriptions Ever on the best Pvp patch avaiable
League of Legends beats WoW any day when it comes to the ammount of players logging on a daily basis, so does counter strike, and dota and the new GTA, and alot of other pvp games
Now you will argue with the typical "blablabla they are diferent kind of games" well, the fact is that they are pvp based games.
Now u will **** up with the typical "but wow is a subscription based game" it was my friend, it was, now you can pay the game with gold, wich makes it free, yet they are still losing players every month, so your theory falls again, the fact is that there's much more players that enjoy pvp than pve and thats the only reason the most played games ever are all pvp games, and only PVE nerds wont agree with me so idc whatever u will say next.

[Luminnar]

That's exactly why people so recurrently ask for a Normal server, and why I personally don't play in any of our servers until that changes - you can't expect that kind of respect, so it has to be enforced by game mechanics.

and we, pvpers, don't miss you either. as i said in other thread, it's not our problem you suck at pvp. if that realm would turn into a pve shi.tfest, i'd quit it immediately, along with majority of people from AT and other pvp realms/servers, even retail. i surely won't even bother proving that with "numbers" or anything, since it's plain clear. they definitely didn't come here to play pve, as they can do that on retail too, since blizzard fuc.ked pvp up so badly that it's hard (since they decided to balance everything around pve and to improve that content only) to even express it with words. it simply sucks and yet you want to "enforce" that everyone is forced into that corner? you might be a mod, you might ban people like me who disagree with you, but i still hope things won't change, especially since AT staff is responsible for that realm as well. oh and saying: "make it optional, so people can decide whether they'll pvp or not" is plain bullshi.t, since everyone, including myself, would have pvp disabled until the opportunity shows, ie. the world pvp would die.

[TriNitY706]

the true purpose of this game is pvp and i'm not talking about battlegrounds, so shut up before you even mention that.

Opinion

i don't get why are people so selfish, that the only thing they think about is only what's good for them, disregarding everyone else. oh and also used to get everything they want the easy way, with minimum effort involved.

The same can be stated about PvP players. They often feel as if they are the majority and that they have votes on how things "should" go or what's best for players OVERALL.

spare some money and afford retail. for pve it's the same sh.it anyway... mashing buttons and watching bosses die... you can't really go retail for quality pvp anymore tho, since it sucks. hard.

How can one suggest PvE players play retail (which isn't WotLK anymore) as a solution? So PvE seeking players are being suggested to pay and play on an entirely different expansion so PvP players can continue forcing PvP on others? (rhetorical)

oh and saying: "make it optional, so people can decide whether they'll pvp or not" is plain bullshi.t, since everyone, including myself, would have pvp disabled until the opportunity shows, ie. the world pvp would die.

Why would players who like PvP sso much unflag if the option is available (not stating that they can't)? If PvP is supposed to be the driving force on realms and the reason so many players play why not remain flagged? The "essence" of PvP is the "danger around every corner" experience and many players enjoy it (some don't) but these same PvP players will unflag if given the option, what sense does that make?

Seems more like PvP players that unflag want to clutch their edge, strike then retreat back to unflagged status, in other words they don't want to be more vulnerable than anyone else which is funny (LOL).

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Not sure why people think that "majority" trumps what is good for players OVERALL. If "flagging" was optional the players who like PvP can remain flagged and things will pretty much be like they were before, only difference is unflagged characters will be unavailable to be attacked, how will PvP "die"? The PvP players that defend there not being an unflag option "should"/would remain flagged at all times as before correct? They can still go around attacking others that are flagged,. Pretty much the only thing that "dies" is forced PvP situations, again which is what people who are expressing concerns about flagging being optional pretty much are going on about. If not being able to attack any player when you want pushes a player to no longer play that is their choice, PvE players are faced with either being at the mercy of PvP players or not playing so who is to say that either type of player has more or less right to their preferred play style? For the most part PvE players could care less about PvP as long as they can opt out. PvP players for the most part want to blanket their play style over everyone else, which side "better" serves players overall, the one where players can freely seek PvP or the one where it is continually forced? Just to clarify "overall" is inclusive of ALL players, not just a self proclaimed majority.

[Healsonheels]

When you Pee vee Pee it burns.

I hate PvP. I wish Lordaeron was full RP so that me and my PvE raider friends don't get camped at a summoning stone by the Alliance.

:(

[Notamonster]

@Healson same on both sides brah ! Allies do the same !

[Kikazki]

-Nothing is lost, but there are gains if no one moves to PvE nothing is lost on the current server, if people move to PvE then there are gains because the PvP community will have more people with the similar mind set

So untrue. When it comes to the amount of players it's quantity over quality. I'm totally fine with having all PvE noobs running around as free kills. When I roam out there in the world while leveling, I want to see players everywhere. I want to be able to kill whenever I feel like it. More lambs to the slaughter.

[Notamonster]

and we, pvpers, don't miss you either. as i said in other thread, it's not our problem you suck at pvp. if that realm would turn into a pve shi.tfest, i'd quit it immediately, along with majority of people from AT and other pvp realms/servers, even retail. i surely won't even bother proving that with "numbers" or anything, since it's plain clear. they definitely didn't come here to play pve, as they can do that on retail too, since blizzard fuc.ked pvp up so badly that it's hard (since they decided to balance everything around pve and to improve that content only) to even express it with words. it simply sucks and yet you want to "enforce" that everyone is forced into that corner? you might be a mod, you might ban people like me who disagree with you, but i still hope things won't change, especially since AT staff is responsible for that realm as well. oh and saying: "make it optional, so people can decide whether they'll pvp or not" is plain bullshi.t, since everyone, including myself, would have pvp disabled until the opportunity shows, ie. the world pvp would die.

You mad bro ? or you are just frustrated ? Because your reply makes no sense except that 'you are just frustrated'
take a chill pill ! you are not the one to make decisions here. You have your own opinions and people have their own. PVP is 'part' of realm, but the whole realm relies on 'PVE'. This is a hardcore realm in terms of 'PVE' if you did not know.

[Dieuxe]

I've always played on a PvE server on retail for several years, and starting anew on a PvP server, I just understand why it has been chosen, it's just a more powerful gaming experience.
You're part of a world ,god damn, a complex world where factions are at war, where powerful creatures, allied and hostile, are all co-existing. That I believe is part of the reason RDF is disabled, they want a real MMORPG, where people interact, like a tiny world, not just the non-sense retail has become with people not even talking to each other when raiding.

But like in real life you can try to take preventive measures to avoid what you don't like. You're being ganked while leveling ? Try to ask for help to nearby allies, to sneak out, to go do somehting else, or just go in another region. It's a game, you have to play it to enjoy it, don't be so pessimistic, if you came on this server 7 years after the original release, it's because you found some magic in it at the time, don't ruin everything and try to enjoy it, a huge wotlk server launch is not gonna happen anytime soon again.

[Vixen]

or you are just frustrated

Most of them "hardcore PvPers" seem to have that problem.

[Notamonster]

Most of them "hardcore PvPers" seem to have that problem.

and 95% of those 'hardcore PVPers' run like chicken when someone of same level comes there for a 1 on 1 PVP. Enjoyed that show quite numerous times.
Killing 'HELPLESS LOWBIES' is not a 'PVP' for real. It has another word to explain it 'BULLYING'. and most of these so claiming 'PVPers' on forums are just 'BULLIES'. I am willing to see the top arena charts rather than a real-life-frustrated guy venting his real life issues on others :p

[Dakarios]

and 95% of those 'hardcore PVPers' run like chicken when someone of same level comes there for a 1 on 1 PVP. Enjoyed that show quite numerous times.
Killing 'HELPLESS LOWBIES' is not a 'PVP' for real. It has another word to explain it 'BULLYING'. and most of these so claiming 'PVPers' on forums are just 'BULLIES'. I am willing to see the top arena charts rather than a real-life-frustrated guy venting his real life issues on others :p

Be clever instead. Are you being ganked? Either log a main, ask some friends or people in general chat or just try to be clever and escape the zone as quickly as possible. Having top level players around you just opens up an oppurtunity to think of some ways to vanish from the ganker. In case you are unable to do that, it's your problem. Just relog.